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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right good evening Fade to Black it

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is Monday May 22nd 2023 I'm Yours Jimmy

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Church

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and tonight Our Guest is uh T cruellos

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and we've got a lot of things we're

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going to be discussing tonight but let's

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just say the Great Lakes area and the

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Paranormal and the supernatural some

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Cryptids and stuff like that we're going

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to be doing all of that tonight I just

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came off of an amazing weekend I had a

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house guests here all weekend and uh

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River Moon coffee Juanita and Jeff flew

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in from Minneapolis and then I gathered

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a bunch of my friends and we cooked out

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and laughed and drank and and did a

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bunch of touristy things all weekend

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long and normally when I do something

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like that I take I take Monday off not

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today oh no oh no no we are rocking and

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rolling it's going to be a great show

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tonight really looking forward to this

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tea is a freelance writer he's an author

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from Milwaukee Wisconsin

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and he's a regular contributor to

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Publications like River West currents M

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magazine 40 in times and the shepherd

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Express he has also published in a wide

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variety of other Publications including

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the New York press the guardian the

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Boston Phoenix maximum rock and roll the

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onions AV club and pop mythology some of

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his favorite subjects to explore and

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write about include subcultures the

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unique stuff people places as well as

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art and music well we'll find out about

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that tonight won't we all of his

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websites are below and links to his

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various stuff including tcruelos.com and

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I would like to welcome for the first

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time to feed the black T cruelos and

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he's right there in front of me T

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welcome to the show my man hey how's it

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going thanks for having me yeah thank

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you and and here you go t so you get the

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First Time guest disclaimer okay so

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we're gonna do that right now T it's

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just you and I sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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where that conversation starts and

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starts and where it ends it ends but

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working man to his friends except do you

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accept the challenge I do absolutely

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big relief uh we got some uh noise

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I don't think anything's on oh hold on

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ignore it if you go down to your

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we're live right now uh the three

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hamburgers the three dots next to your

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okay yeah we don't have at this point we

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um I grew up in the Great Lakes

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know that area and I can see Milwaukee

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lot is kids like I do now is the

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Paranormal and the Supernatural and the

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other stuff that is going on in in that

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area well got your interest into this

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Wisconsin is a weird place

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that I've encountered and I've traveled

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they saw that they thought my interest

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me and and one day they gave me this

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newspaper article about how people had

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been reporting seeing a werewolf

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imagination because it said that people

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in Elkhorn were seeing this werewolf

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sitting at the side of the road eating

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some Roadkill

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fields right really convinced that I was

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going to see a werewolf that was gonna

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and um that was a piece of Ray Road of

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course yes I have a famous Cryptid story

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but there's a lot going on here there's

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a lot of UFO sightings in Wisconsin all

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that all claim that they're the UFO

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capital of Wisconsin and they all have

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their own little like you know alien day

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UFO day type Festival

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buildings that are still standing in

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which is very famous amongst major

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league baseball players because many of

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them have said that they've had

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encounters there and but that's just one

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there's so many ghost stories around the

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city and all over the state now what do

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you think what do you think is causing

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it because you can only blame so much on

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on beer and cheese right yeah right

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right and uh making light of it right

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there's got to be something else going

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very rich storytelling history in

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who lived here and then we have a very

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strong Tavern culture so like you say

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people do like to drink and tell stories

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but um yeah I think it's just one of

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those special spots that attracts

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weirdness it's kind of

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no it it's true and it's a very very

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um heavily influenced indigenous culture

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North America for sure yeah but Chicago

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um the names of of all the towns and

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cities are all indigenous

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and and so there is that that Spirit

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realm Vibe uh that continues where we

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may equate some of that as being modern

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yeah um I love there's such a a lot of

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that talk about Thunderbirds and water

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serpents and uh the Wendigo

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these stories here yeah

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um can we talk about the Thunderbirds

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same place right it's just a couple of

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corn fields apart all right same as

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Milwaukee right everything is uh all

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these towns and and the people are

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pretty similar

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um but when I was uh in Indianapolis in

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the early 70s mid 70s uh there were

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these reports of these giant

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Thunderbirds I mean I mean in the media

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in the paper and and some were caught on

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film this was like a pretty big media

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sensation in the 70s and I know that you

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remember this

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what do you make of those stories and

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and I don't strike it up to imagination

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or some kind of mass hysteria I think

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compelling stories

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um the stories from Illinois and um even

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jornland she's a great ghost researcher

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um but she has a relative that saw a

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Thunderbird in Brookfield which is a

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suburb of Milwaukee he was at the

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hospital his his wife was giving birth

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to their child and he was kind of pacing

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around the waiting room and he says a

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bird the size of a small airplane

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Flew Over the hospital and he watched it

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like kind of fly over and

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um Allison says that he's a very

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credible witness you know not

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someone that needs medication or

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something like that and there's other

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stories like that from around the

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Midwest side of her too very compelling

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reports of Thunderbird sightings do you

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ever go ghost hunting yeah

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it was titled Monster Hunters

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and I was a a fan of paranormal stuff

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but not really involved and my goal with

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that book was I wanted to meet some of

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these people and find out what they do

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and how they do it and and why and all

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that uh so I was fortunate in that

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there's a team here in Milwaukee they're

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called the paranormal investigators of

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Milwaukee and they let me tag along with

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them for about a year and a half

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and uh yeah I went on probably 12 or 15

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different ghost Expeditions it's very

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interesting stuff yeah don't stop there

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feet wet yes yeah this it's crazy isn't

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it yeah yeah and uh and I haven't done a

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lot in recent years because I've been

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busy with other projects but it's

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certainly something that I enjoy doing

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happened to both be on the road me and

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some of their team members and we met up

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in Kentucky to investigate Bobby

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Mackey's Music World

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and that's kind of a well-known haunted

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location and it was creepy that's for

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sure

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it was a creepy night I did did you go

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to the hole did you check it out yeah

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yes yes the the well to the portal to

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hell yes and and I I don't know if I

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um that that kind of kind of me out a

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little bit yeah I love ghost hunting but

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there's you know when you have something

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called the portal to hell right you know

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with the reputation behind it I'm going

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to leave that to the professionals but

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uh anything anything happen

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yeah

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um

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I would say team members I didn't

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experience this myself but I believe

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these people because I hung out with

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them for quite a while and

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um one of them

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says that they felt like they were

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possessed by a very angry spirit and

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they just had this like kind of blind

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rage where they said they they felt like

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choking their teammates you know

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and uh yeah it was like this evil

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sense of being that came over them and

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another teammate remember that same

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night she actually says that she lost

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her vision she was sitting there and she

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went blind and she couldn't feel her

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hands at all and she was kind of crying

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about this and someone was like hey

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what's wrong and she was like I can't

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see anything and they're like well it's

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dark

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and she was like no I mean I can't see

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anything

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and uh she was you know very frightened

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right it's dark

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um yeah I've had my own experiences with

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ghost hunting and

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um when uh after I've done maybe three

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four different things

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um and after each one

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tea I walked away going well

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I can't speak for everything

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I can't

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but this stuff is real yeah and and I

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had different I had different levels and

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different types of things happen but but

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all of it pretty much unexplainable I

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mean I I couldn't explain it and you

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know disembodied voices and and weird

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footsteps and knocks and stuff in rooms

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that you know because we had camera and

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and and sound and lights and things that

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we had everything completely quiet you

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know for production and and then the

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stuff is happening it dude it was yeah

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it was pretty it's pretty remarkable I I

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still don't have explanations I just

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think we need more research

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yeah yeah yeah I've never experienced

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anything directly myself however I've

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talked to a lot of people and I believe

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them

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uh because they're very genuine about

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what they've experienced and so uh that

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is some evidence to me you know have you

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okay so uh we're gonna get into the

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Chicago Mothman first but uh before we

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get there

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um ultimately

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um have you had that that first-hand

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experience whether it's seeing something

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or hearing something that causes you to

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back up and go okay whoa what's

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Happening Here

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well I did see a UFO one night and uh

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that was pretty compelling I've never

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witnessed anything like that before what

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would you see

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well it is a funny story because I was

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when I was working on that same book

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um one thing I wanted to do was I wanted

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to get out there in the field with a

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Bigfoot researcher

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um so I found a really cool guy his

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name's Jim Sherman

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um he's in Michigan

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and um and he was like sure yeah I'm

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gonna do this investigation later this

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summer why don't you come with me

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so we went out we're looking for

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bigfoots and

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um it was very interesting and the last

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night we were there

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I was just about to go asleep and I

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heard this blood curdling howl outside

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of my tent

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which scared me pretty badly

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no it was probably an aggressive coyote

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and not a Bigfoot but

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I I'm awake and I I go over to Jim's

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Jeep and we're both sitting there in the

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Jeep kind of looking to see what we can

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see

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and I was like man I must be really

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scared because that star up in the sky

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is shaking I must be shaking

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and I was like wait a minute that's the

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only thing moving though

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so I was like Jim do you see this and we

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got out and we saw it was like this

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giant ball of light that was up in the

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sky and it would zip really fast over to

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a different part of the sky and kind of

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hover and Bob there and then zip back

402
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over here and move up and down and

403
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sometimes light was emanating out of the

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bottom of it

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and we looked at it through binoculars

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uh we did take video of it and I got to

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learn the frustration of this because

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the video doesn't look good

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because it's hard to focus on it it's

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moving around and it's blurry

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um but I've never seen anything

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move like that and there's no

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explanation

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that satisfies me I it wasn't a drone it

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was moving

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way too erratically it wasn't a

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helicopter or something so I don't know

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what it was but it was very unusual well

419
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and see but now you're the crazy person

420
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that you write about yes yeah I got to

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experience it that firsthand because I

422
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would tell people about it and they'd be

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like really and you were hanging out in

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the sun all day with a guy who looks for

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bigfoots and then you saw this thing and

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they're smoking weed yeah you know and

427
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and I get all of that

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um but but the the special part about

429
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this is not only now it's like welcome

430
00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:44,400
to the family right okay so you have

431
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that part but you you almost don't want

432
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to tell the whole story you almost don't

433
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want to tell a game because you just

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become the crazy person so you want to

435
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tell the rational part of it right Mark

436
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that you feel that people are going to

437
00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:03,960
uh into to buy you know to purchase what

438
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you're selling

439
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:07,880
um but once that Paradigm Shift happens

440
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now do you find yourself listening to

441
00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:13,260
people with their experiences a little

442
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bit differently yeah oh yeah absolutely

443
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you know it definitely changed my

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00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:22,140
perception of things

445
00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:26,100
you know and uh it's it's made me more

446
00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:28,380
interested in in the subject matter for

447
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:30,539
sure the

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um uh the openness that we have right

449
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now with uh uh Washington DC on the

450
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:39,539
subject and the media and people coming

451
00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:43,200
forward and and it seems like it's in

452
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you know it's in the news every single

453
00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:47,520
day now it's in the budget right it's in

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the 2022 2023 budgets

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00:20:58,669 --> 00:20:54,960
um that's that's pretty crazy but does

456
00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:58,679
it make it uh easier for you to not only

457
00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:01,080
write about these subjects but to talk

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00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,000
about them openly in public now and

459
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:04,799
without any fear

460
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oh sure I think people like make the

461
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,720
connection that it's um

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that people take this subject seriously

463
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including people some people in the

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government

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and so it's become a little bit more of

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a mainstream topic I guess that's how I

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would phrase it yeah you can refer to

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the mainstream media reporting on it you

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know this is

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um some of the top news agency is not

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like

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some lone weird person who's you know

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writing other UFO Manifesto or something

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yeah yeah you know there's a okay so in

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the past and we all love the 40 and

476
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times right okay yeah yeah uh if you can

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go and get your Yaya's out there

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um right and and and we all did and we

479
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all still do for sure yeah a little bit

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different when the New York Times puts

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this on the front page right right yeah

482
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yeah I I find that interesting okay so

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now

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um I have never and I thought that I

485
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been down the block I've never heard of

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the Chicago Mothman uh when did you

487
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first uh hear about the Chicago Mothman

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um I think there was a couple reports of

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this in 2011.

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and I do remember hearing about that I

491
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think but the big wave really came in

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2016.

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all of a sudden it you know the internet

494
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was blowing up with all of these Mothman

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sightings at first they were mostly in

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the city of Chicago and then the reports

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started to come in

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from other locations around the Midwest

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and I of course was immediately very

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curious about it because Chicago's not

501
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very far from Milwaukee right it's about

502
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an hour and a half you can you can

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cruise down there

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so I was like wow this is happening

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um in my own backyard

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uh I also happened to know some of the

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investigators who were looking into the

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cases

509
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so I was kind of seeing what what they

510
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:20,520
had to say about about this and it's a

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very confusing case because

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uh and I've tried to look at it as

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objectively as I can

514
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but I think there's a couple things

515
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going on I think one there are people

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who are actually seeing something

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because they've come forward they've

518
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been interviewed I also think that there

519
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is a joker out there

520
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who is bored maybe and fabricating

521
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:51,600
Mothman reports

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00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:55,980
so it's hard to tell where the line one

523
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story stops and the next begins

524
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:02,460
so okay

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um I I so I jumped into this and one of

526
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:08,460
the things that caught my eye was uh the

527
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NPR right national public radio and uh

528
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,460
covering this and

529
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,440
um which is this is something that NPR

530
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:18,480
doesn't normally do I'm talking about

531
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:21,539
you know uh a network that stays inside

532
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:26,159
of the box I I love the MPR but I don't

533
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:29,840
go to them for my Cryptids right

534
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:32,700
I'll go into with them but they covered

535
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:35,940
it and they covered it extensively

536
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:38,760
um and they uh they took it pretty

537
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,700
serious didn't they yeah yeah

538
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,640
and uh okay so how did the local media

539
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:47,100
started to cover it out there

540
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:51,900
well I mean it it's been covered by

541
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:55,140
like Paranormal sites have reported on

542
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:57,059
it and have gotten most of the reports

543
00:25:01,370 --> 00:24:58,260
themselves

544
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,380
so mufon got some of the reports there's

545
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:04,440
a site called Phantoms and monsters that

546
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:06,659
was getting reports and uh the singular

547
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,659
forteon Society is a group here in

548
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:11,340
Wisconsin actually

549
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,740
so they were just

550
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,039
sharing the reports it did pick up like

551
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:19,620
a pretty good media interest especially

552
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:24,000
in 2016 2017 it was reported by like

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00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:27,779
like you said NPR Chicago Tribune uh

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00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:30,840
Vice did an article about this

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so

556
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:34,320
um there's a lot of coverage in it on it

557
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:36,419
and

558
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:37,980
most of them were just sharing they

559
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:40,799
weren't like really delving into

560
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,600
story of where these might have come

561
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:44,159
from

562
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:47,700
and uh okay so

563
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:51,059
do you think that some of it was hoaxed

564
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:52,980
I do

565
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,860
um and one of the reasons is if you take

566
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:57,720
all the reports and start to read

567
00:26:02,210 --> 00:25:59,100
through them

568
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,220
you start to find that a lot of them

569
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:04,440
have similar language and I don't mean

570
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:08,039
they're describing the same thing

571
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:12,000
um but the way that it's written has a

572
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:13,799
certain formula and I notice that

573
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:15,779
because I'm a writer

574
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:19,440
so I'm like this report is awfully

575
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,140
similar sounding to this one they're

576
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:25,279
using a lot of similar word usage

577
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:29,460
and the sort of Rhythm of the writing is

578
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:30,539
the same

579
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:33,000
so I do think that there was a person or

580
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,039
persons who were anonymously hoaxing

581
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:40,679
um some of these reports like I say

582
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:43,620
there are some where the person

583
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,380
actually did you know come forward and

584
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,539
say I saw this and you know I'm

585
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,860
reporting it

586
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:52,799
so I think that there might be something

587
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:56,220
to it but maybe it inspired

588
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:00,000
someone who likes hoaxing to start

589
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,700
fabricating their own

590
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:05,159
so it's um it's a little bit it's kind

591
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:11,690
um I'm okay so

592
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,059
um I have uh I have two this is an

593
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,159
interesting take

594
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:20,159
um so I've got two I've got two reports

595
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:21,960
here

596
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,020
um and let's let's go through this just

597
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:27,419
for a second because we have witness

598
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:31,200
Aaron drain right and she says I was

599
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,000
spending the afternoon on the rooftop I

600
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:35,820
saw something in the sky video evidence

601
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,980
fairly high up and fairly far away it

602
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,320
wasn't being buffeted about by the wind

603
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:43,679
it was moving slowly but not randomly

604
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:45,240
then we have

605
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:50,039
witness Jeff okay Jeff says at first I

606
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:51,900
thought it was a bird but none I'd seen

607
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,820
before because it was just so huge and

608
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:55,740
the way it was flopping its wings the

609
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,620
longer I watched it it was like what the

610
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,799
hell is is that thing it was freaky

611
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:04,380
yeah I kind of see what you're saying

612
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:05,159
there

613
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,140
it's you know when when the internet

614
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,600
first started there was this famous

615
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:12,240
cartoon and it's a dog who's on the

616
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,980
computer and he's talking to another dog

617
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,559
and he says nobody knows that you're a

618
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:18,480
dog on the internet

619
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,520
see the problem is when you get an

620
00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:22,799
anonymous report on the internet

621
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,779
was that who where did that come from

622
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:27,720
who wrote it it could be a witness that

623
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:30,600
saw a Mothman or it could be some 12

624
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:32,100
year old kid

625
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:34,260
that wants to mess around with UFO

626
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:36,900
investigators just to be a jerk you know

627
00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:39,900
and that's hard to tell right right now

628
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:42,620
let's get to the

629
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:46,799
uh the the reporting and reports uh for

630
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:49,799
my Witnesses uh that that you feel was

631
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,430
um I mean the 106 out in my mind was uh

632
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:58,320
the singular fortean Society went and

633
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:01,260
visited a guy who said he had had an

634
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,980
encounter in Mukwonago which is a small

635
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:06,840
town here in Wisconsin

636
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:11,039
and uh they said that he still look like

637
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,400
he was shaken up by this uh he described

638
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:17,580
how he was talking to his friend on the

639
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:19,980
phone he drove up to his parents house

640
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,659
and he didn't want to disturb them

641
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,399
because it was late so he was sitting in

642
00:29:29,149 --> 00:29:26,220
his car finishing his phone call

643
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,159
and he saw this like humanoid form that

644
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,620
stepped from behind a Street Lamp

645
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:34,559
and he knows that it was

646
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,480
grayish black had red eyes and wings but

647
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:41,760
he showed the location where he said

648
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,760
that this encounter happened and walked

649
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:46,559
through the whole thing and seemed very

650
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:48,899
genuine about that so someone like that

651
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:50,220
you know I'm willing to give the benefit

652
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:54,320
of the doubt you know and how uh

653
00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:58,559
obviously we have uh Point Pleasant and

654
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,100
and and John Keel

655
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:05,039
um and now we've got to start to see if

656
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:06,600
we can connect the dots to see if we're

657
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,940
talking about the same phenomena uh what

658
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:13,130
um I mean it's a very similar

659
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:17,340
description as far as the entity itself

660
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:18,179
um

661
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,740
but I don't I don't know whether

662
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:21,720
similarities there are

663
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:24,960
the thing was when this happened in 2016

664
00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:27,779
of course a lot of people associate The

665
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,299
Point Pleasant Mothman with being this

666
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:32,100
harbinger of Doom

667
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:33,899
that ended with the Silver Bridge

668
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:37,440
collapsing so people were like oh we

669
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,539
know what's going to happen in Chicago

670
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,580
well you know a lot of bad stuff happens

671
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,159
in Chicago all the time so it's maybe

672
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,440
hard to tell

673
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:49,080
um but yeah I don't know what could be I

674
00:30:53,330 --> 00:30:50,520
mean my theory has always been that

675
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:53,340
these are inter-dimensional beings of

676
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:55,860
some sort that can kind of pop in and

677
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,899
out between dimensions

678
00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:59,760
is the one that makes sense to me what

679
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:02,100
about the site you mentioned red eyes

680
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,899
what about the size and the physical

681
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:05,820
characteristics

682
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:08,760
um of the Chicago Mothman

683
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,860
that's you know and this is

684
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,840
why I think some of the reports are

685
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,880
suspicious actually they were all very

686
00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:17,039
similar in their description and saying

687
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:21,059
that it was about six feet tall had big

688
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:24,899
red glowing eyes Wings humanoid grayish

689
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,240
black color but

690
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:29,820
almost in some of the reports are like I

691
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:32,700
saw it flying above me it was about six

692
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,960
feet tall

693
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,880
and I was like how would you be able to

694
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,559
measure that you know

695
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,240
it's kind of hard to tell how big

696
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,640
something is when it's flying above you

697
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:43,799
so I almost found the consistent

698
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,460
description to be suspicious

699
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,620
so

700
00:31:54,850 --> 00:31:52,140
um I and you're right about that

701
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:54,860
so I had house guests this weekend right

702
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:58,980
and we were in the backyard and and I've

703
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,320
got I live in the desert and one thing

704
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:04,080
that we have out here is we have giant

705
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,080
Ravens okay now I don't know if there's

706
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:10,080
another species of ravens out there

707
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:14,640
uh called giant big ass Ravens but we

708
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:17,760
have that species of Raven out here and

709
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,640
so but when they're up flying you can't

710
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:22,679
you don't know how big they are when

711
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,260
they swoop down over your backyard a few

712
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:26,880
feet off the ground and you see that

713
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,679
that wingspan is you know four feet

714
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:30,659
across you kind of jump back and go man

715
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,419
those things are huge but you can't tell

716
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,760
how big those are when they're up in the

717
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:37,620
sky you just can't do it so for somebody

718
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:40,860
to say uh the size of something flying

719
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,340
overhead uh unless you know the size of

720
00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:47,279
a plane okay you can make a guess on a

721
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:50,039
single engine Cessna but it's just

722
00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:51,299
something else that you've never seen

723
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,100
before no I think it's nearly impossible

724
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,620
to make a guess at at the size yeah or

725
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,240
people are saying how tall it is they

726
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,580
see it sitting on a rooftop I mean

727
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:02,159
if you see a person up on a rooftop

728
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,779
you're not going to be able to guess how

729
00:33:07,389 --> 00:33:05,279
tall they are

730
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,399
you know down to the inches

731
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:09,840
another interesting Theory too by the

732
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:12,840
way someone pointed this out there has

733
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,200
been an influx of owls creeping into

734
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:18,960
Chicago and the reason why is there's

735
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,640
been an increase in uh Vermin like rats

736
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,440
so the owls are coming into the city

737
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,840
because there's a big food supply there

738
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:29,279
so

739
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:33,000
think a lot of people especially if

740
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:35,340
they've maybe never seen an owl in the

741
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:37,559
dark and they see it sitting on

742
00:33:41,409 --> 00:33:39,779
something it could look pretty weird to

743
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:41,419
someone

744
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:45,980
uh okay and so are you suggesting

745
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:49,679
that people are seeing giant owls and

746
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,779
mistaking that from Mothman

747
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,000
I mean it could be a possibility in some

748
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:56,940
cases you know I just I like to try to

749
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,880
put all the options on the table and

750
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,039
think about which ones make sense and

751
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:04,740
which ones don't you know but I don't

752
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:06,539
know I mean I I never like to tell

753
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:07,860
people

754
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,540
what they saw

755
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:12,480
because I don't know but always walking

756
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,379
through it okay so the um and then uh we

757
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:18,659
can kind of move on uh before we run out

758
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,720
of time in this uh section of the show

759
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,639
um when you re-released your two

760
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,200
articles

761
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:27,359
um uh that you had written about the the

762
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,020
Mothman what were the uh what did you

763
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,060
rewrite in both that needed to be

764
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,010
um

765
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:39,300
I you know I I reflected some of the

766
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,639
more recent sightings there has

767
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:43,679
apparently been recent sightings around

768
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:47,760
the O'Hare Airport area a lot lately see

769
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:50,940
a lot of reports coming in from there

770
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:53,639
um so I updated with that and then I

771
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:56,220
just I wrote a short piece to go with

772
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,780
the other articles that talked about

773
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,240
mothman's influence on pop culture

774
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,820
because mothman's kind of a star you

775
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:05,280
know if you go on Instagram you see a

776
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:09,119
lot of artists uh who do you know create

777
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:11,220
drawings and um

778
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,320
t-shirts and stuff like that even

779
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:15,960
costumes so I just kind of reflected

780
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:18,420
about how mothman's chemical pop star

781
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,320
now

782
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,260
well yeah that's certainly true when

783
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,359
when we go back if you go back to uh

784
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,480
Point Pleasant in 66

785
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:29,700
um the internet today is is a funny

786
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,079
thing where we can share information

787
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:33,660
well I don't need to explain what the

788
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:36,540
internet is but but we can do stuff uh

789
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,540
fairly quickly and instantly and and

790
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,000
it's it's easy enough to do but it

791
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:44,940
wasn't that kind of party in 1966. and

792
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:48,660
it seemed that uh uh you could have

793
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:50,579
rumors on the street and you can play

794
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,099
the game telephone yeah okay all right

795
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:55,740
and whisper in somebody's ear but things

796
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:58,920
were too similar and and and in

797
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:01,500
different Geographic areas

798
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,480
um in and around that area which ended

799
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:05,339
with of course uh the bridge collapse

800
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,980
and then apparently well not completely

801
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:10,560
but apparently most of the terror ended

802
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,520
um at that point yeah but today with the

803
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,700
Chicago Mothman side of things

804
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:19,920
um I almost see a connection with the

805
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:23,240
Thunderbird and could

806
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,820
you said owl but could the witnesses be

807
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:28,619
seeing the Thunderbird thinking it's

808
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,140
human because it's so big or the

809
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:33,780
opposite they could be seeing you know

810
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:38,099
the Chicago Mothman and then identifying

811
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,460
it as a Thunderbird because they would

812
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:43,740
both be very very big with large

813
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,180
wingspans

814
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:48,300
yeah no that's a very good theory and I

815
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,099
should point out that a lot of the

816
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,160
reports describe this humanoid with red

817
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,440
eyes but not all of them some things

818
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,480
have gotten lumped into these Mothman

819
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:00,240
sightings but if you look at what the

820
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:03,060
the Witnesses are reporting they're

821
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,880
actually just one for example describe

822
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,440
seeing something that they thought

823
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:09,839
looked sort of like a pterodactyl

824
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,300
so I mean that would fit very much with

825
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:15,000
a Thunderbird description you know they

826
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,320
might have been seeing that and then

827
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:17,760
just made the connection to a

828
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:20,280
pterodactyl because it was big you know

829
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:24,480
okay somebody just said the photo on the

830
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:28,380
bridge in Chicago has me puzzled what is

831
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:31,140
that can you guys post the link let me

832
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:32,700
see this picture what picture are they

833
00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:35,940
referring to I'm not sure

834
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:39,020
um okay remember one with the bridge

835
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,920
okay uh Bill post the link or Dennis uh

836
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:45,960
post the link in the chat

837
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,940
you guys can't talk about stuff like

838
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:49,680
that without posting the link that is

839
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,520
very uncool to do that to me live uh

840
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,960
during the show

841
00:38:02,030 --> 00:37:57,359
no I don't see it here so uh post the

842
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:02,040
link so I can uh go and and check it out

843
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,960
um have you seen photographs I know that

844
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:05,760
there's been mention of video and images

845
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,339
have you seen any anything

846
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:12,240
one of the original reporters from 2011

847
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,000
um it shows someone took a pack a

848
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:18,480
picture of a statue a statue of a Native

849
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,280
American it used to be on top of a

850
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:23,220
tobacco shop there in the background you

851
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,180
can see something that looks weird

852
00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:29,700
um but the explanation that I believe

853
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:32,099
would probably be true for that photo is

854
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:34,020
it looks like a kite actually a

855
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:37,800
bat-shaped kite okay someone is probably

856
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,680
um flying I know there have been a

857
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:43,680
couple of photos that have been debunked

858
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,700
because they were faked you know but I'm

859
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:48,960
not saying that that's what this photo

860
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:52,140
is I'm not familiar with it at all

861
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:55,859
now you said earlier and this is uh

862
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:57,540
we're gonna kind of change gears a

863
00:39:03,050 --> 00:38:58,920
little bit we're gonna stay on subject

864
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:03,060
though but you said interdimensional

865
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:03,660
um

866
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:06,420
that's a very interesting term that I

867
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:08,940
use every night here on the show but why

868
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:17,030
that makes sense to me because we very

869
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,560
rarely find like true evidence of these

870
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:21,900
Cryptids right except for maybe a

871
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:23,700
footprint once in a while stuff like

872
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,460
that but it just it seems to me like

873
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:28,140
that's the way that they can escape

874
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:33,060
detection so well is they can shift

875
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,180
um between our world and another one so

876
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,920
they don't leave evidence behind you

877
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:39,359
can't catch them

878
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:42,839
in that or something like that you know

879
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,800
well physics today that's exactly what

880
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:48,420
they're trying to convince us of right

881
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,780
that that is now part of our reality

882
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:54,420
um when before it was spirits and

883
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,900
mediums and our dead and Hilda coming

884
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:00,480
back to visit us

885
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:04,079
um but there if these things are real I

886
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:06,060
believe that they are there's got to be

887
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:08,520
a scientific explanation behind them

888
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:11,400
would interdimensional be a Band-Aid

889
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:14,280
like a catch-all

890
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:16,680
um yeah I think so I mean that's

891
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:17,820
probably

892
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,119
how I'm viewing it I mean I just I don't

893
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:23,400
know what other explanations that there

894
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,660
could be

895
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,520
um I'm certainly open to other

896
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:29,160
possibilities but it's this one that

897
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,140
kind of made sense to me like

898
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,560
some sort of portal interdimensional

899
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:37,020
portal that these things can move

900
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,740
between now we're talking about Mothman

901
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,500
but what about everything else

902
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,660
yeah I think it could apply to a lot of

903
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:47,400
Cryptids

904
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:50,339
um reports of ghosts you know stuff like

905
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,250
yes yes

906
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:00,240
millions of people can't be crazy right

907
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:03,480
yeah all right all right

908
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:06,960
um and when uh

909
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,500
you you run the uh the the Paranormal

910
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:11,760
Festival

911
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,800
um of the Paranormal conference in

912
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:15,839
Milwaukee right yeah and you've been

913
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:19,140
doing that for almost eight years yeah

914
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:21,540
um what have you learned from doing that

915
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:25,140
my my view on this has changed greatly

916
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,000
from what you know

917
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,240
25 30 years ago the way I approached the

918
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,420
subject and where I am now I'm 180

919
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,460
degrees in the opposite direction

920
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,460
yeah oh I've learned a lot through the

921
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:40,680
conference and heard a lot of

922
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,859
interesting theories and uh have met

923
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,560
some really great researchers so I'm

924
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:49,680
always learning new stuff and um

925
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,619
thinking about new stuff so it's really

926
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:56,160
wonderful to be in that position and get

927
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,619
to meet new people every year and

928
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:00,839
there's some people I see once a year

929
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,900
and I set the Paranormal conference

930
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,820
um so yeah I've heard

931
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:07,920
a lot of things that

932
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:09,380
um again

933
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,420
new ideas and so what have you learned

934
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:14,400
that's what I want to know I'm gonna

935
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,500
I'll tell you what I've learned I could

936
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,680
I can go down the list like this and and

937
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:22,619
go deep with it because

938
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,320
um I not only do I interview a lot of

939
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:27,780
people but I'm a sponge

940
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:30,980
um and it's my job but I find myself

941
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:35,579
changing my mind you know and and I'm

942
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,880
just not the same person so we all walk

943
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,619
away with something that we have learned

944
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:43,920
and and you in your position

945
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,380
um I'm just curious man what what is it

946
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:48,720
that you won okay yeah I just learned

947
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:50,339
something

948
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,619
uh I think one thing I've been more

949
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,960
open-minded over the years is about

950
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,520
Bigfoot

951
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,800
um I think when I first had interest in

952
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:00,960
that I I thought it was just kind of

953
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,000
funny like I was like oh yeah come on

954
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,819
Bigfoot but I've seen evidence and

955
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:07,619
talked to people where

956
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:09,780
um they've turned me into kind of a

957
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:13,680
believer in that subject in particular

958
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:15,240
um I've seen a lot of interesting photos

959
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,319
video first-hand accounts so I changed

960
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,780
my mind on that I think for sure so

961
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:24,480
before you were a skeptic I would say so

962
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:29,760
yeah yeah a skeptic of it not uh Bigfoot

963
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:33,900
not being real at all or it being a

964
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,619
species that was yet to be discovered or

965
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:39,420
something that is just inter-dimensional

966
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:42,740
from planet uh from the constellation

967
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:46,560
Arcturus right I mean

968
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,500
I think when it first went into it I my

969
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:51,900
percentage of believing in it was very

970
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:54,839
small and I think one of the reasons why

971
00:44:02,170 --> 00:43:58,440
is I'd seen so many cartoony depictions

972
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,180
of Bigfoot and sometimes Bigfoot Hunters

973
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:05,040
Will's like come on this can't

974
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,599
this is just like you know someone

975
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:11,700
I don't know some guy running around in

976
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:13,319
a fursuit or something

977
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:16,920
but you know uh like I I have talked to

978
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:19,560
a lot of compelling Witnesses and and

979
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:22,920
seen a lot of stuff so I've yeah I've

980
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,900
been convinced and so where are you

981
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:26,760
today though

982
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:30,300
oh say I'm I I maybe went from like 10

983
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,400
up to 95 or something it's a pretty big

984
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,880
jump and and do you think it's a species

985
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,520
uh that is just avoiding humans or do

986
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:42,720
you think it's something more

987
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:45,780
Supernatural in that case I do think it

988
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:48,599
could possibly be a species that has

989
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:51,780
avoided uh people

990
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:54,300
um I am also open to like the idea of it

991
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,220
being some sort of interdimensional

992
00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:58,020
thing but I think it possibly could be

993
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,060
an unknown species we still all do

994
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,760
discover species of animals

995
00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:05,099
on a regular basis which is really kind

996
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:07,079
of amazing you think the whole world is

997
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,240
populated that we've seen everything and

998
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,579
explored every nook and cranny of the

999
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:13,380
Earth but but we really haven't

1000
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:17,339
but how do you explain uh the the lack

1001
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:20,579
of bones or bodies we haven't had any

1002
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:23,940
roadkill you know up in Wisconsin all

1003
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:26,339
you guys do is drive by roadkill right

1004
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,760
it's it's a lot yeah yeah

1005
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:31,800
um uh we hit a lot of deer and and

1006
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:33,540
things it's just you know it's part of

1007
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,859
life but no fresh Bigfoot on the side of

1008
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,839
the road how do we explain that

1009
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,359
uh well the the way someone explained it

1010
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:44,099
to me is they're like how often do

1011
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:45,300
people find

1012
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,400
a skeleton of a bear I mean it does

1013
00:45:53,470 --> 00:45:49,980
happen but it's not extremely common

1014
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:53,480
well we hit a lot of bears

1015
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:56,099
we see a lot of bears come up and attack

1016
00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,220
cars we see a lot of bears come in and

1017
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,460
raid your your cooler while you are gone

1018
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:04,079
on your campsite and you catch them on

1019
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:07,260
the trail cam you know we okay so we

1020
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,460
yeah okay uh uh bear carcasses but we

1021
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:14,880
see I I've seen a grizzly bear and her

1022
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:18,980
three Cubs walk right in my backyard

1023
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,020
I've seen that

1024
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,020
um so the the Species part which

1025
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,660
anything is possible like the giant

1026
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,180
panda right okay that didn't show up

1027
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:32,400
until 100 years ago

1028
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,180
um but uh I I I have issues with no

1029
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,079
bones I do I I have issues with that

1030
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,319
yeah um yeah I don't know I mean that's

1031
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,359
why I think it's interdimensional

1032
00:46:50,770 --> 00:46:47,940
I think I think Bigfoot are chewbacas

1033
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:50,780
you know that one that would explain

1034
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:53,579
that would check all my boxes and I'm

1035
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:57,180
okay with that the the Species part with

1036
00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:59,460
me I'm not I'm not as confident about

1037
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:02,520
like I am something interdimensional or

1038
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:05,640
arriving in a Vortex or through a portal

1039
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,780
yeah

1040
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:09,119
uh by the way here in Wisconsin There's

1041
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,920
a very large State Park called The

1042
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:13,920
Kettle Moraine and there's been a lot of

1043
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,680
Bigfoot sightings there and where is

1044
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:17,760
that

1045
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,560
sort of in the middle of the state of

1046
00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:22,260
Wisconsin takes up a couple hundred

1047
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:27,240
acres so and and Wisconsin

1048
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:30,960
um aside from the shoreline right maybe

1049
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:33,300
in count Green Bay too as well but maybe

1050
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:35,700
not as much but aside from the shoreline

1051
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,020
Wisconsin is trees right it's it's thick

1052
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,180
and if you want to hide out there and

1053
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:44,400
never you know disconnect from the human

1054
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,440
race you can do it in Wisconsin can't

1055
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:48,780
you oh yeah yeah there's a lot of

1056
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:50,520
Farmland but there's a lot of forest

1057
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:52,619
still yeah a lot of forests a lot of

1058
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:56,760
Hills uh yeah yeah no question about it

1059
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,359
um now if if if that part of it in

1060
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:03,000
physics is what is going on

1061
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:06,780
is that the spirit world too as well I

1062
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:08,700
mean are the dots connected

1063
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,420
I think so or they could be

1064
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:14,520
um I don't know I mean

1065
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:16,020
I've heard a lot of different theories

1066
00:48:21,230 --> 00:48:17,819
about ghosts of course uh

1067
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:21,240
interdimensional spirits of dead people

1068
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,420
um I mean they're both interesting

1069
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:27,359
theories I I would have to guess that

1070
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:29,819
some of them must be connected to people

1071
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:31,500
because people see ghosts of people that

1072
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:33,000
they know you know

1073
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,599
that were part of their life so and is

1074
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:39,119
there a commonality

1075
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:43,740
um uh T of of the types of stories that

1076
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:46,200
have been part of the folklore and pop

1077
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:50,160
culture in Wisconsin

1078
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:57,970
they're just you know a lot of typical

1079
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:01,859
ghost stories usually

1080
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:02,819
um

1081
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,140
people recognizing relatives sometimes

1082
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:09,359
um or

1083
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:13,260
you know like a captain Frederick past

1084
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,380
who was the founder of the Pabst Brewery

1085
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,240
he's a common ghost as seen in Milwaukee

1086
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,099
there's actually three different places

1087
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,440
that are supposed to be haunted by him

1088
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:24,780
so we do have some historical figures

1089
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:27,780
that are ghosts

1090
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,599
um and it's a very common occurrence

1091
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,839
here I lead a walking ghost tour for

1092
00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:36,240
American Ghost walks here in Milwaukee

1093
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:38,819
uh which is a lot of fun I get to talk

1094
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:42,180
about history and some ghost stories and

1095
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,900
I am amazed at how many people come up

1096
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:48,119
to me after a tour because they feel

1097
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,760
comfortable talking to me about this and

1098
00:49:54,370 --> 00:49:52,319
they'll tell me very similar stories

1099
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:54,380
about you know

1100
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:57,300
seeing their deceased mother

1101
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:57,900
um

1102
00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:01,800
door slamming shut cold spots stuff like

1103
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,619
that and um

1104
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:06,300
uh yeah very

1105
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,020
common stories and lots of them

1106
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,960
is your house haunted

1107
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,940
I don't think this one is it is an old

1108
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:16,800
house actually

1109
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:19,800
it was built in the late 1800s but I

1110
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,540
haven't experienced anything here you

1111
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,520
haven't have you

1112
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:26,040
um I have and my house is on the newer

1113
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:28,740
side it's it's old but it's on the newer

1114
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:31,800
side of old does that even make sense

1115
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:35,099
about it is built in the 80s okay so not

1116
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:38,880
the 1880s uh the 1980s but this house is

1117
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,460
completely friggin haunted you know

1118
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:43,520
there's stuff moving all the time

1119
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,099
and uh like for real I'm not making

1120
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:49,200
stuff up it's like it's like crazy town

1121
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:50,700
here

1122
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,180
um and I I just accepted it but then

1123
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:56,400
when you have things like and when we

1124
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:57,660
come back out for the break we'll talk

1125
00:51:03,970 --> 00:51:00,839
about Krampus for instance and where you

1126
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:03,980
have these stories that are handed down

1127
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:07,559
generation after generation and I

1128
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:09,000
believe that all of it's based in

1129
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,200
reality but then as as it as children

1130
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,119
um growing up to be adults we can

1131
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:17,700
Manifest this stuff into our reality of

1132
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:20,819
of if we push it hard enough right like

1133
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,339
a thought projection yeah sure

1134
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,920
yeah yeah where do you think the ghosts

1135
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:28,319
in your house come from I don't know I

1136
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,819
don't know we talked about it all

1137
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:32,160
weekend I had I don't know I don't know

1138
00:51:36,829 --> 00:51:33,960
if they were here before the house was

1139
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,839
built you know the Mojave Indians I live

1140
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,160
in the desert

1141
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,619
um is it that is it something else

1142
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:42,240
um my neighbors haven't told me anything

1143
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,559
too crazy so I you know it's not like

1144
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:48,960
you know the Manson family lived here at

1145
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:50,940
one time or something so I don't I'm not

1146
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:54,180
I don't have any of that uh but that

1147
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:56,280
doesn't change the reality of of what

1148
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,619
has been going on here

1149
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:00,960
um it feels feminine does that make

1150
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,160
sense sure yeah I don't feel threatened

1151
00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:08,460
um you know I don't wake up with bite

1152
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:11,660
marks well that's good

1153
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:14,460
none of that but yeah stuff is moving

1154
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:18,059
and you hear things and stuff is you

1155
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:20,520
know fell off the walls and fallen off

1156
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:25,020
of countertops I've watched and uh you

1157
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,819
know I have stuff moving in my closet

1158
00:52:32,109 --> 00:52:29,280
every single day that every single day

1159
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:32,119
but every other day yeah yeah yeah yeah

1160
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,000
so but but nothing has hit me in the

1161
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:38,700
head that's good

1162
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:42,720
but uh 1880s so uh for you I would think

1163
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:45,240
that there is something surviving in the

1164
00:52:50,089 --> 00:52:46,980
house but the reason why I bring that up

1165
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,099
and and like going back to Krampus and

1166
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,319
the other stories that are told around

1167
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:55,440
campfires uh around the country and and

1168
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:58,440
certainly through uh Wisconsin all the

1169
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:01,319
way to the Chicago Mothman right that

1170
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:04,440
this stuff is based in reality and I

1171
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,460
think that there are a lot of

1172
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:07,680
similarities between them

1173
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,059
yeah yeah I do too when you see uh uh

1174
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:15,119
Krampus doesn't cramp aside from cramp

1175
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:22,130
could be in the same family tree for

1176
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:23,220
sure

1177
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,540
and where did you first hear about

1178
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:29,150
um you know I saw on the internet

1179
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,559
somewhere and it was like one of those

1180
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:33,599
articles that's like hey did you know

1181
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,300
that there used to be this crazy

1182
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:38,880
tradition where people would dress up

1183
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:41,160
like this monster and scare children

1184
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:43,980
into behaving in the old world you know

1185
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:47,640
Germany Austria other European countries

1186
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:50,220
I was like wow I never knew that that's

1187
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,339
that's interesting and then I started to

1188
00:53:57,549 --> 00:53:55,740
see that there were cities all over the

1189
00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:57,559
place that did their own Krampus

1190
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,880
celebration where people would wear

1191
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:02,640
costumes and it looked like a lot of fun

1192
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:06,839
and I was like why on Earth do we not

1193
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,200
celebrate that in Milwaukee because as

1194
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:12,839
you might know Milwaukee has a very rich

1195
00:54:19,450 --> 00:54:16,260
German Heritage it was the beer Barons

1196
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:19,460
uh pass Blatz Schlitz

1197
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,680
they built Milwaukee into a city through

1198
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:25,440
the the German Brewing industry

1199
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,660
so we had a very large German population

1200
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:29,700
here

1201
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,420
um so I was like this is a natural fit

1202
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:35,880
and um and then I was like well I'm

1203
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:38,819
gonna organize it then so I just kind of

1204
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:40,740
put the call out there on social media

1205
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:43,920
and a bunch of

1206
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,480
um local artists and performers and you

1207
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:52,319
know people interested in German culture

1208
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:55,500
all began to participate and it's grown

1209
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,920
into a really huge event now it's a it's

1210
00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:00,960
pretty much doubled in size almost every

1211
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:03,059
year that we've done it yeah right on

1212
00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:07,140
and and now Krampus depends on well you

1213
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:09,500
know there isn't a kind

1214
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,380
gentle uh image of Krampus out there but

1215
00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:15,839
that's a that's a pretty that's a pretty

1216
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:18,500
intimidating scary creature

1217
00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:20,760
isn't it yeah

1218
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:23,579
yeah um you know and kids do go to our

1219
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:25,260
event and they get scared uh they're

1220
00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:27,240
supposed to be scared but our performers

1221
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,819
are all pretty good if they see that kid

1222
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,440
looks really scared a lot of times

1223
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,359
they'll take off their mask and they'll

1224
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:35,280
be like hey you know I'm the swearing

1225
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:38,040
this mask and uh a real monster that's

1226
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:41,819
gonna kidnap you so

1227
00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:43,740
um but I think it's great these uh kids

1228
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:45,300
are getting to experience this and

1229
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:49,260
they're gonna be able to pass this down

1230
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:50,819
um to the Next Generation if they want

1231
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,660
to

1232
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:54,240
yeah yeah exactly let's uh let's take

1233
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:55,680
our break here we're at the top of the

1234
00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:59,880
hour and uh here's the thing though uh

1235
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:02,220
when we come back off of The Break

1236
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:04,260
um I kind of want to stay here for a

1237
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:07,319
minute uh if we can tea but

1238
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:09,720
um there there's another part about this

1239
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:12,119
that I want to talk about which is I

1240
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,220
think people are okay with the subject

1241
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:17,040
uh today and and we see that in pop

1242
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:19,079
culture we see that with television and

1243
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,559
film and books and and so forth so I

1244
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:24,240
wanna I'm gonna stay on the pop culture

1245
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:25,800
part of this which is what you write

1246
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:29,040
about when we come back after this short

1247
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break our guest tonight T cruelos and we

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are talking about a lot of things

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tonight but we're talking about the

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great lakes and monsters we'll be right

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00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:40,800
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1363
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:22,260
and everything else the promo code is uh

1364
01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:24,299
f2b blend that's all you got to do 15

1365
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,200
off of your order today uh there you go

1366
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:31,680
I guess not Tia Crudo I said Tia T I

1367
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:35,520
said why it's such an attempting uh

1368
01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:38,040
thing to say but uh T Cruella's is with

1369
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:40,619
us and uh we're talking about the

1370
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,140
Paranormal and Supernatural uh

1371
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:45,119
throughout the Great Lakes uh region

1372
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:47,640
there uh but I think that there is

1373
01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:50,220
something bigger going on

1374
01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:53,400
um with all of the ghost hunting shows

1375
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:55,400
and the Bigfoot shows

1376
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,040
advertisers that stuff is supported by

1377
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:01,680
you know the community and what people

1378
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,640
want to see uh this is something that

1379
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:07,920
the entire world is interested in aren't

1380
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:10,980
they oh yeah absolutely

1381
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:12,900
um even there's worldwide interest in

1382
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:15,420
stuff that happens here in Wisconsin you

1383
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:18,599
know there's been famous cases so

1384
01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:21,540
we've got a reputation the Beast of Bray

1385
01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:24,599
Road Bigfoot sightings UFOs

1386
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:27,420
serial killers all sorts of crazy stuff

1387
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:29,819
okay that's right that's right you guys

1388
01:02:33,530 --> 01:02:31,799
had serial killers there too as well I

1389
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:33,540
forgot about that

1390
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:37,079
um the uh uh besides the Beast of Bray

1391
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:40,200
Road uh what's another big case out of

1392
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:48,230
I love UFO cases for sure over the years

1393
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:48,900
um

1394
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:51,900
there's I mean these are more historic

1395
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:54,540
but lake monsters we've had a lot of

1396
01:03:01,309 --> 01:02:56,940
lake monster reports which one of the

1397
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:03,829
um well they used to do a festival every

1398
01:03:09,470 --> 01:03:06,599
year in a town called Dundee it's on

1399
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:09,480
Long Lake and there's been a lot of UFO

1400
01:03:16,609 --> 01:03:13,440
sightings above Long Lake area

1401
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,619
um there's a very interesting historical

1402
01:03:20,049 --> 01:03:18,900
case it happened here in Milwaukee it

1403
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:20,059
was in

1404
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:23,339
1897 and it was a they called it a

1405
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:25,020
mystery airship

1406
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:28,799
but it was um you know this is 1897

1407
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:30,420
there's not a lot of stuff flying around

1408
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:32,700
in the sky but people saw this giant

1409
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:35,700
glowing disc that cruised right over the

1410
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,380
downtown area

1411
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:39,660
so that's one of the stories I talk

1412
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:42,839
about on the tour that I do

1413
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:45,480
um also you know and I think that

1414
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:48,119
they're not recognized as much as they

1415
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:51,299
should be but Coral Lorenzen and her

1416
01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:56,040
husband Jim they founded the apro which

1417
01:04:02,630 --> 01:03:59,880
was sort of a forerunner of mufon apro

1418
01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:02,640
yeah oh yeah and they

1419
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:04,500
um they founded that group when they

1420
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:08,400
were living in Sturgeon Bay which is uh

1421
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:10,500
you know it's on Door County which is

1422
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:13,260
somewhat close to Green Bay it's on the

1423
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:14,460
Green Bay

1424
01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:17,160
and they were inspired to start the

1425
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:19,400
group because they're in Sturgeon Bay

1426
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:23,160
this was in the the 50s there was a

1427
01:04:27,010 --> 01:04:26,040
large group of people who saw a UFO that

1428
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:27,020
came

1429
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:29,880
cruising right over the city

1430
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:33,180
and that really inspired them to

1431
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,160
start the group and they they did a

1432
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,400
newsletter which was you know

1433
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:41,220
before the internet days if you wanted

1434
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,740
to talk about a subject like that you

1435
01:04:49,069 --> 01:04:45,119
didn't have a lot of

1436
01:04:50,690 --> 01:04:49,079
um venues to do that in so a newsletter

1437
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:50,700
was one of the ways that you could

1438
01:04:55,730 --> 01:04:53,099
communicate with other people about this

1439
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,740
so they're really important in UFO

1440
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:58,319
history I think and um

1441
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:00,780
I I mean I know a lot of like

1442
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:03,660
people who are into UFO research and

1443
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,460
stuff have probably heard of them

1444
01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:07,440
but you know they're not I don't think

1445
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:09,420
that they're recognized as much as as

1446
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:11,940
they should be well in the UFO Community

1447
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,960
apro was very very important and I I

1448
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:18,059
think that most of uh

1449
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,000
of uh the people that get into heavy

1450
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:23,819
research in in our community and start

1451
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:26,760
to jump into the history uh we certainly

1452
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:30,359
recognize apro and nycap you know those

1453
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:34,020
precursors too uh not only move Farm but

1454
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:36,299
they were happening at the same time as

1455
01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:39,960
Project Blue Book and there was a big

1456
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:42,920
big big interest uh across this country

1457
01:05:48,349 --> 01:05:45,720
uh from citizens to do their own

1458
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:48,359
research because the government and Blue

1459
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:50,520
Book wasn't answering those questions

1460
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:53,520
for them and that's what aphro did apro

1461
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,339
came along and tried to fill uh those

1462
01:06:01,490 --> 01:05:59,520
gaps because people wanted answers yeah

1463
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:01,500
it is it's really great I was able to

1464
01:06:06,890 --> 01:06:03,660
find a collection that collects their

1465
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:06,900
early newsletters from the 50s and um

1466
01:06:11,569 --> 01:06:09,059
there it was definitely a labor of love

1467
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,579
you could tell it was uh created on a

1468
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,720
typewriter

1469
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:14,640
you know that's all you had to do with

1470
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:16,440
that they they type wrote the whole

1471
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:19,440
newsletter and uh you know they they did

1472
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,780
their own illustrations and graphs and

1473
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:24,000
stuff like that and it's kind of cool to

1474
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:27,480
see that yeah and um let's stay on that

1475
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:29,700
for a second because

1476
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:33,660
the when you go back historically

1477
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:36,960
um into like afro and nightcap and you

1478
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,280
see uh the not only the sightings but

1479
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:43,740
the way that they were reported you

1480
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,799
bring up a great Point 1897 what was in

1481
01:06:51,470 --> 01:06:49,680
the sky in 1897 right well not even an

1482
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:51,480
airplane you know the answer is nothing

1483
01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:56,280
right except for Thunderbirds but

1484
01:07:03,250 --> 01:06:59,819
um when you go into uh the 50s and you

1485
01:07:07,069 --> 01:07:03,260
look at those original uh afro and nycap

1486
01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:07,079
uh citing reports we're talking about in

1487
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:10,619
some cases thousands of miles an hour

1488
01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:14,520
um uh taking uh right turns flying at

1489
01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:16,859
these Fantastical speeds

1490
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,559
um without without wings they have the

1491
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,599
saucers were some descriptions but we

1492
01:07:27,069 --> 01:07:24,240
had others too as well but they're also

1493
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,079
very similar to what we are seeing today

1494
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:29,640
but before we gotta remember that we're

1495
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,720
we're talking about 70 years ago

1496
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,220
somebody was seeing something in the sky

1497
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,260
weren't they and you can't just say that

1498
01:07:43,069 --> 01:07:39,720
it was us because we simply didn't have

1499
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:43,079
that technology back then no yeah yeah

1500
01:07:48,829 --> 01:07:46,500
yeah and some of their terminology you

1501
01:07:51,289 --> 01:07:48,839
know has has changed but you're right in

1502
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:51,299
that very consistent with UFOs that

1503
01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:54,180
people report seeing today and

1504
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:57,000
um and apro did a great job in this

1505
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,660
newsletter because Coral Lorenzen who

1506
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,359
did a lot of the writing on it was also

1507
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:06,480
a journalist so she knew like how to ask

1508
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,760
the right questions and provide

1509
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:11,520
information in a clear and concise way

1510
01:08:15,230 --> 01:08:13,260
so

1511
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:15,240
um yes it's very interesting to read

1512
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:17,339
those old reports and how consistent

1513
01:08:22,669 --> 01:08:20,160
they are and the reports had to come in

1514
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,679
some would come in Via telephone the

1515
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,839
other ones would come in in an envelope

1516
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:26,880
there's a thing called the mail where

1517
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:30,060
people don't remember this but we used

1518
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:33,839
to have stuff delivered and and that's

1519
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,679
how afro and and nightcap2 as well uh

1520
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:39,719
even like the you know the the different

1521
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,199
reporting Services uh of sightings a lot

1522
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:44,880
of the stuff people had to take the time

1523
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,759
to write it down and if they wrote it

1524
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:50,100
down and and bought a stamp and put it

1525
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:52,859
in the mail they did it for a reason I

1526
01:08:56,689 --> 01:08:54,540
don't think that they were hoaxing this

1527
01:08:58,669 --> 01:08:56,699
is something that they actually saw and

1528
01:09:03,349 --> 01:08:58,679
they wanted to report it and document it

1529
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:03,359
yeah and once their reputation you know

1530
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:05,940
kind of got out then people would drive

1531
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:08,339
and visit them in person to tell them

1532
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,520
stories and you know so that takes some

1533
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:14,040
dedication too if you're gonna drive

1534
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:16,199
halfway across the state just so you can

1535
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:18,839
talk to someone because that experience

1536
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:22,380
you had was so impactful on you

1537
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:24,540
that you're looking for someone to help

1538
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:27,299
you with the answers you know uh what do

1539
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:29,460
you think is happening today with this

1540
01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:34,020
UFOs yeah because now it's everywhere it

1541
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:37,799
is truly uh uh everywhere it's not just

1542
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,620
the UFO community and I was talking

1543
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:42,960
about it it's it's it's it seems to be

1544
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,900
from every direction Academia to the

1545
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:48,239
Pentagon to the White House and

1546
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,960
throughout the states and and mass media

1547
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,239
I I think people

1548
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,699
all sorts of people

1549
01:10:02,330 --> 01:09:59,280
um really want answers to this they've

1550
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:02,340
seen some of the footage in the reports

1551
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,260
and um

1552
01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:06,060
they they don't a lot of people don't

1553
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,460
think it's a joke anymore they want to

1554
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:10,800
know what's going on including people in

1555
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,640
governments and Academia so

1556
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:17,040
um yeah I think there's a real hunger

1557
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:20,699
for information and answers and I hope

1558
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:21,900
that we get some

1559
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:24,060
do you think the government is sitting

1560
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:26,940
on secrets yeah

1561
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,100
they always are

1562
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:31,199
that's a that's their job in a way

1563
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:32,580
sometimes

1564
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:35,940
but is it going to be easy for them to

1565
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:43,030
I don't know I mean you know one person

1566
01:10:48,649 --> 01:10:45,480
can change a lot

1567
01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:48,659
you know if you get the right person

1568
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:50,520
that maybe that will start to come out

1569
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:53,820
is the world ready for it

1570
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:56,340
I don't think so you don't think the

1571
01:11:02,810 --> 01:10:59,400
wall can handle the truth

1572
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:02,820
um I mean they'll have to but I don't

1573
01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:05,400
know if they're ready well yeah and why

1574
01:11:11,149 --> 01:11:07,620
is that I mean you you said I don't

1575
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:11,159
think so pretty quickly why is that

1576
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,340
I mean I I get a little skeptical about

1577
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,520
the human race sometimes I don't know

1578
01:11:22,729 --> 01:11:20,400
I don't know what

1579
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:22,739
um there's a lot of

1580
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:25,380
division amongst people

1581
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:29,120
a lot of arguing about kind of worthless

1582
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,460
mundane stuff so when you see how people

1583
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,560
react to some stuff

1584
01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:36,420
you kind of have to wonder

1585
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,280
what's going to happen when this slaps

1586
01:11:41,930 --> 01:11:40,080
them across the face

1587
01:11:44,510 --> 01:11:41,940
that uh

1588
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:44,520
that they're here you know

1589
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:46,260
I don't know I just I sometimes just

1590
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:48,360
don't have faith in

1591
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,520
Human Nature

1592
01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:53,520
in in general uh

1593
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:55,500
I think you know there's a lot I think

1594
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:56,940
some people will be able to handle it

1595
01:12:02,810 --> 01:11:58,739
and are expecting it and

1596
01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:08,330
well okay but just like

1597
01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:10,920
um physics or science or the

1598
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,080
supernatural the Paranormal or whatever

1599
01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:15,360
it may be lost history

1600
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:17,699
we're getting smarter and smarter every

1601
01:12:25,570 --> 01:12:22,159
day and we are exposed to so much

1602
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:25,580
and so when it comes to the possibility

1603
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,920
of lots of life in our Milky Way I'm not

1604
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:30,540
even talking about the universe I'm just

1605
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:32,219
talking about us and our Celestial

1606
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:34,620
neighborhood here our little slice of

1607
01:12:42,169 --> 01:12:39,840
the pie that we Now understand and I'm

1608
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:42,179
talking about globally that there must

1609
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:44,760
be lots of Life out there I don't think

1610
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:51,890
um

1611
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:54,360
it's gonna surprise

1612
01:12:58,220 --> 01:12:57,239
some people for sure

1613
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:58,230
um I mean

1614
01:13:01,850 --> 01:13:00,360
[Music]

1615
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,860
I don't know I guess it depends who

1616
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:04,560
you're talking about specifically

1617
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:05,820
so

1618
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:07,260
are you doing

1619
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,980
if there's an issue and maybe maybe from

1620
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:12,480
a religious

1621
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:14,600
you know side of it

1622
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:17,820
okay there could be some concerns there

1623
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,060
yeah even that uh the different

1624
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:23,040
religious leaders will have their own

1625
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:26,520
spin on it that's true and and be able

1626
01:13:31,310 --> 01:13:28,260
to try to control the narrative like

1627
01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:31,320
they've done for Millennia right

1628
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,699
um but I think that would be a a sort of

1629
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:38,280
a major concern but if you're thinking

1630
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:40,860
rationally and you're not too radically

1631
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,380
fundamentalized

1632
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,020
um that there there has to be life out

1633
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,020
there and we can't be the only one

1634
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:51,540
it's so uh

1635
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:53,940
it's so weird to think that a generation

1636
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:56,580
from now it just might be the normal

1637
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:00,060
thing that we're living side by side by

1638
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:02,820
other civilizations and they're going to

1639
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,100
look back at this time frame and be like

1640
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,500
remember when nobody when

1641
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,080
you know this wasn't a thing it's just

1642
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,239
it's weird to think about

1643
01:14:15,729 --> 01:14:14,159
I mean I hope I get to see it in my

1644
01:14:18,649 --> 01:14:15,739
lifetime

1645
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:18,659
and you know that's a really good point

1646
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,659
because if we look at

1647
01:14:25,790 --> 01:14:24,000
um and there's a I'm going to segue this

1648
01:14:28,130 --> 01:14:25,800
back into ghost here in just a second

1649
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:28,140
everything is connected but if you don't

1650
01:14:35,530 --> 01:14:33,239
get the kids today kids 10 11 12 15 18

1651
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:35,540
20 21 years old

1652
01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:38,880
they have been raised on the internet

1653
01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:44,460
and exposed to Media of of All Sorts

1654
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:46,199
whether it's music videos movies

1655
01:14:50,890 --> 01:14:48,360
streaming services and their

1656
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:50,900
relationships and their friends

1657
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:54,659
they have been exposed to ET and the ET

1658
01:14:59,410 --> 01:14:57,540
presence differently than you and I in

1659
01:15:03,410 --> 01:14:59,420
Our Generations have

1660
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:03,420
they I don't think there's any doubt

1661
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:05,820
that we are not alone with them I think

1662
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:08,880
it's it's just a way of life now

1663
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:10,980
yeah no I totally agree

1664
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,380
it's um

1665
01:15:18,050 --> 01:15:15,600
like like you say there's so much media

1666
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:18,060
that they absorb and it's it's kind of

1667
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:20,820
the norm in a lot of that

1668
01:15:28,729 --> 01:15:25,320
the um the uh when you're ghost hunting

1669
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:28,739
okay so here we have

1670
01:15:35,570 --> 01:15:32,820
when we're looking for UFOs back when uh

1671
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:35,580
afro and nycap in the early days of

1672
01:15:42,290 --> 01:15:39,060
mufan or whatever you had uh a camera

1673
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:42,300
with film in it if you were lucky yeah

1674
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:44,520
um and you had binoculars and if you

1675
01:15:49,630 --> 01:15:47,100
were lucky uh maybe you had a telescope

1676
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:49,640
but that was it today we've got

1677
01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:53,580
electronic uh collection devices uh

1678
01:15:57,530 --> 01:15:55,620
everywhere for the common man we have

1679
01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:57,540
night vision we have the ability to

1680
01:16:03,890 --> 01:16:00,120
shoot video and and shoot images

1681
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:03,900
everybody carries this on them and we

1682
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:05,100
have the software to do those

1683
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,719
conversions right right there right

1684
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:08,940
right on our there's an app for

1685
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,040
everything yeah

1686
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,440
um and and we it's the same thing with

1687
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:15,199
the supernatural

1688
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:18,179
where you are able to go on a ghost hunt

1689
01:16:24,169 --> 01:16:21,719
you're no longer swinging a pendulum you

1690
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:24,179
know what I mean or having a seance you

1691
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:26,960
know burning some herbs and looking for

1692
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,540
ectoplasm right or a shaking table

1693
01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:32,159
um it's not that kind of party anymore

1694
01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:34,980
now you've got all of these uh

1695
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:37,620
electronic sensor devices to go on a

1696
01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:40,980
ghost hunt with is that helping prove

1697
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,260
the phenomena and that it may be

1698
01:16:49,610 --> 01:16:46,080
something electrical you know that

1699
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:49,620
there's something else uh within the

1700
01:16:55,729 --> 01:16:52,800
laws of physics that is going on

1701
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:55,739
yeah I mean the technology has evolved

1702
01:16:59,770 --> 01:16:57,540
and I think it's great because it gives

1703
01:17:03,470 --> 01:16:59,780
you more tools it gives you a bigger

1704
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:03,480
tool kit you know so like you say my

1705
01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:06,360
phone has got a camera you can shoot

1706
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:09,000
video on it it's got a measuring things

1707
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,940
you can measure so I I think those

1708
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:13,320
things

1709
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,020
um are helpful to have but I mean I

1710
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:18,840
think the greatest tool you have is your

1711
01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:22,679
own senses you know your own brain and

1712
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:26,040
um your eyes and your ears and uh that's

1713
01:17:30,590 --> 01:17:28,500
the best way to perceive things

1714
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:30,600
when you're when you're out with I think

1715
01:17:35,209 --> 01:17:32,719
you said the the marrow the Milwaukee

1716
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:35,219
paranormal what were they called uh

1717
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,540
paranormal investigators of Milwaukee

1718
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:39,239
yeah right so when you're out so that

1719
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:42,719
would be the Paranormal and p i the the

1720
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:45,960
pen yeah when you're out with the pims

1721
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:48,840
yeah and you got a k meter that goes off

1722
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:51,960
right you've got some kind of night

1723
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:54,480
vision image going across what do you

1724
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:00,770
well I mean it depends on the situation

1725
01:18:06,169 --> 01:18:03,540
sometimes there is a rather mundane

1726
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:06,179
explanation for it you know you're close

1727
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:08,100
to an electrical box or something like

1728
01:18:13,130 --> 01:18:11,400
that but um other times it is unknown

1729
01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:13,140
you know I'm not saying necessarily

1730
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:15,060
paranormal but

1731
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:16,500
um unknown

1732
01:18:21,649 --> 01:18:19,260
um they have gotten some interesting

1733
01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:21,659
evidence the most interesting thing that

1734
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:24,780
they've gotten I think are EVPs that's

1735
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:27,420
where I was going I like the way you did

1736
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:29,159
that that's exactly where I'm going next

1737
01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:35,630
sure how it's happening you're going to

1738
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:38,760
answer the question on me but if it's

1739
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:42,120
triggering an electronic device that's

1740
01:18:47,169 --> 01:18:44,040
recording that's one thing but to have

1741
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:47,179
that actually be a voice

1742
01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:50,340
is something else all together how is

1743
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:52,440
that happening if you don't have a

1744
01:18:57,229 --> 01:18:53,880
throat

1745
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,239
I I don't know I I will say that they

1746
01:19:02,750 --> 01:18:59,580
have recorded some EVPs that have made

1747
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:02,760
my hair stand on end because they're

1748
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:06,420
clear and they're very eerie so I don't

1749
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:08,699
know how a ghost would be able to

1750
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:10,380
manifest that

1751
01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:13,800
but it's it's not static it's it's a

1752
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:14,940
clear

1753
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:20,940
um so yeah that's that's one of the

1754
01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:22,380
things that's probably creeped me out

1755
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,060
the most in

1756
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:26,640
looking at ghost evidence is hearing

1757
01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:28,620
some of these EVPs especially ones that

1758
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,420
are specific you know

1759
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,159
there was um

1760
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:34,800
they were doing an investigation on a

1761
01:19:38,990 --> 01:19:37,620
haunted Farm here in Wisconsin or maybe

1762
01:19:41,930 --> 01:19:39,000
it was in Illinois

1763
01:19:44,930 --> 01:19:41,940
and one of them was pulling down uh they

1764
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:44,940
had an attic with a stairwell that you

1765
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:47,460
pull down you know it unfolds and then

1766
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:49,140
you can go up into the Attic

1767
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:50,940
so they're starting to pull this down

1768
01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:53,880
and um they caught an EVP right when

1769
01:19:59,149 --> 01:19:55,620
that was happening and it's a voice

1770
01:20:01,490 --> 01:19:59,159
saying I don't want them to go up the

1771
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:01,500
ladder like that

1772
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:03,920
and I was like wow that's

1773
01:20:09,169 --> 01:20:06,420
referencing this ladder-like stairwell

1774
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,179
that they're pulling down oddly specific

1775
01:20:16,130 --> 01:20:12,719
right yeah yeah yeah so they have a

1776
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:16,140
couple like that where it's prices have

1777
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:23,270
um you mean just like recording yeah in

1778
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:25,800
my house or something no with them have

1779
01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:29,580
you been present when an EVP uh at an

1780
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,300
EVP session yeah oh yeah yeah and have

1781
01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:36,000
you caught the EVP

1782
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,340
uh I haven't I don't think that caught

1783
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:41,040
any of the EVPs on my recorder what they

1784
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:43,380
do is all the group members

1785
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,159
um

1786
01:20:48,830 --> 01:20:47,040
have a recorder on them

1787
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,840
right and they do a time stamp so you're

1788
01:20:51,649 --> 01:20:49,920
all like

1789
01:20:53,450 --> 01:20:51,659
you know you can reference each other's

1790
01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:53,460
audio recordings

1791
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:56,460
and I've never caught one on mine but if

1792
01:21:00,649 --> 01:20:57,960
I have been with them when they've

1793
01:21:02,630 --> 01:21:00,659
caught it yeah and so well that's that's

1794
01:21:05,090 --> 01:21:02,640
my question my question is have you been

1795
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:05,100
present uh when one of these sessions

1796
01:21:12,350 --> 01:21:09,420
happen yeah you see the method yeah

1797
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:12,360
you're listening to the background you

1798
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,159
know who was there you know the question

1799
01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:16,320
that was asked and then you turn around

1800
01:21:21,709 --> 01:21:18,600
and you hear something on a recorder and

1801
01:21:23,209 --> 01:21:21,719
you were there yeah do you know that you

1802
01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:23,219
didn't hear anything but there it is

1803
01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:25,860
clearly on the recorder it's a it's a

1804
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:27,719
pretty good Paradigm Shift of your

1805
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,840
reality isn't it yeah oh yeah

1806
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:33,120
it makes you um

1807
01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:35,940
makes you feel like you're not alone

1808
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:37,320
you know

1809
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:41,040
like maybe there's something talking and

1810
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:43,080
in my room right now and I just don't

1811
01:21:46,729 --> 01:21:44,820
know about it well I I just think it's

1812
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:46,739
electronic

1813
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:52,320
something going on in The Ether around

1814
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:56,960
you and they are able to manifest the

1815
01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:59,280
electromagnetic principles that are

1816
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:02,880
happening and through the digital

1817
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:05,520
circuits that are there

1818
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:08,760
to to get that to react in a way and and

1819
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:11,340
get it recorded I think that that is

1820
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:13,920
what's going on it I

1821
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:15,960
from a purely from its physics

1822
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:17,580
standpoint

1823
01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:20,040
um is it a spirit sure yeah it's that

1824
01:22:25,610 --> 01:22:23,880
but that's why EVPs happen and that's

1825
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,620
how they are created that's what I think

1826
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:27,199
I think it's some kind of

1827
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,920
electromagnetic interference that's

1828
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,900
going on in the room and it's also

1829
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:33,120
throughout the Universe it's not just in

1830
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:36,600
you know Milwaukee or my house it's it's

1831
01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:39,239
everywhere around us

1832
01:22:46,130 --> 01:22:42,540
well yeah I see what you're saying

1833
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,140
that's interesting yeah yeah yeah now

1834
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:48,239
um why do you think

1835
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:49,500
um

1836
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:51,960
okay what's your definition of

1837
01:23:00,590 --> 01:22:57,950
well there's probably more than one

1838
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,600
um conspiracies do happen

1839
01:23:05,390 --> 01:23:03,120
they have happened historically we know

1840
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:05,400
about it because we later find out

1841
01:23:09,169 --> 01:23:07,560
but what's your definition of a

1842
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:09,179
conspiracy

1843
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:14,100
uh something done secretly to uh you

1844
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:16,500
know seize power or

1845
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:19,679
influence a world happening

1846
01:23:26,209 --> 01:23:22,920
um by clandestine methods

1847
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:26,219
I would say okay so that's that's a pop

1848
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,239
culture definition of conspiracy if you

1849
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,360
look up and which is I agree with but if

1850
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:36,000
you look up conspiracy in Webster's

1851
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:39,960
Dictionary it's going to say more than

1852
01:23:45,410 --> 01:23:43,440
one person meaning two getting together

1853
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:45,420
to commit a crime

1854
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:48,600
sure hence the charge of conspiracy in

1855
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:52,260
court right so two people conspiring for

1856
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:55,260
the bank robbery or whatever that's the

1857
01:24:01,130 --> 01:23:58,500
definition of conspiracy pop culture has

1858
01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:01,140
gotten away from that and turned it into

1859
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:03,239
what you just said right there which I

1860
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:05,820
agree with too as well oh that's a you

1861
01:24:09,490 --> 01:24:08,219
know Chemtrails that's a conspiracy

1862
01:24:14,090 --> 01:24:09,500
right

1863
01:24:16,130 --> 01:24:14,100
UFOs is a conspiracy by our government

1864
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:16,140
um but it's not the true definition of

1865
01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:18,540
it but if we go to your definition of

1866
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:22,340
conspiracy why has Society

1867
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:25,440
jumped so quickly to believe everything

1868
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,990
um I would say a major reason is that

1869
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:35,520
our government has done a lot of shady

1870
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:39,120
stuff over the years and so it's built a

1871
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,540
culture of distrust in them and what

1872
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:43,920
they have to say

1873
01:24:51,470 --> 01:24:47,640
so when people theorize about why things

1874
01:24:54,649 --> 01:24:51,480
happen people tend to believe it because

1875
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:54,659
they think it sounds right and it fits

1876
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:01,790
so you know I mean there's different

1877
01:25:04,729 --> 01:25:03,420
reasons why people believe different

1878
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,739
things

1879
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:07,440
um sometimes it's a personal thing or an

1880
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:10,260
experience that they've had

1881
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,940
um other people

1882
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:14,400
have fallen down a YouTube rabbit hole

1883
01:25:20,810 --> 01:25:18,239
and um had these ideas kind of

1884
01:25:22,970 --> 01:25:20,820
uh Emer they've immersed into these

1885
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:22,980
ideas so

1886
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:25,860
I mean it conspiracy is kind of a broad

1887
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:28,920
topic it can apply to many different

1888
01:25:37,790 --> 01:25:34,729
um some more believable than others and

1889
01:25:40,370 --> 01:25:37,800
some like I said that are you know

1890
01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:40,380
actual conspiracies that did we know

1891
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:41,880
took place

1892
01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:44,280
well yeah for sure

1893
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:47,699
um but there's I there there must be

1894
01:25:54,669 --> 01:25:51,780
some underlying uh reason for this and

1895
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:54,679
it doesn't matter culturally or or

1896
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:57,000
geographically it's not a specific

1897
01:26:04,669 --> 01:25:59,340
region this is this is all over the

1898
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,679
world now and uh too quickly if it

1899
01:26:10,729 --> 01:26:07,440
doesn't fit your Paradigm somebody yells

1900
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:10,739
it's got to be a conspiracy and then we

1901
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:14,880
have an agreement with that and it is an

1902
01:26:20,930 --> 01:26:19,020
absolute phenomenon where in it over the

1903
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:20,940
last you know I'm going to say five

1904
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:24,840
years maybe six yeah six years where

1905
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:28,139
this is it we everything is a conspiracy

1906
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:30,780
now and it doesn't matter what media

1907
01:26:36,530 --> 01:26:34,380
Outlet to go to uh it's it's no longer

1908
01:26:39,890 --> 01:26:36,540
reporting the news it's reporting the

1909
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:39,900
opinion of a conspiracy and Society is

1910
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:41,880
okay with that and I'm just wondering

1911
01:26:47,330 --> 01:26:45,840
why I think it's a lot and again it

1912
01:26:50,030 --> 01:26:47,340
depends what you're talking about but a

1913
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:50,040
lot of it is uh part of a bigger

1914
01:26:54,669 --> 01:26:52,739
cultural divide this is a very divided

1915
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:54,679
country when it comes to

1916
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:59,120
politics lifestyle and other choices so

1917
01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:01,500
conspiracies a lot of times historically

1918
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:02,760
in the past

1919
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:06,780
have been used to demonize your enemy

1920
01:27:11,390 --> 01:27:07,800
right

1921
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,400
so if you say that you know if you don't

1922
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:14,159
like Democrats let's say and you say

1923
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:16,860
that they're they eat babies and worship

1924
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:19,920
Satan and you know all this stuff

1925
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,040
that kind of is a confirmation bias for

1926
01:27:27,890 --> 01:27:25,679
yourself so it makes sense to you you're

1927
01:27:30,649 --> 01:27:27,900
like yeah that does sound right they

1928
01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:30,659
would do that you know and vice versa

1929
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:32,040
too you know

1930
01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:35,880
um there's conspiracies about

1931
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,719
all sorts of groups of people and um a

1932
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:41,520
lot of that is

1933
01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:44,460
just part of the

1934
01:27:47,890 --> 01:27:46,980
the big divide that we have

1935
01:27:51,370 --> 01:27:47,900
yeah

1936
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:51,380
and and I think that's

1937
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:54,120
you're certainly correct in in in

1938
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,300
putting it that way but it's also more

1939
01:28:00,890 --> 01:27:59,340
fundamental

1940
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,900
um it could be

1941
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,600
I'll make something up uh just off the

1942
01:28:07,729 --> 01:28:05,760
top of my head I can start a conspiracy

1943
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:07,739
right now in this show about traffic

1944
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,100
lights yeah right I can do it right now

1945
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:14,400
and suddenly that'll take off I could

1946
01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:16,679
make up a conspiracy right now in the

1947
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:18,600
show about chocolate chip cookies

1948
01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:21,840
I could make it and it would run and

1949
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,380
have legs and go viral that's what I'm

1950
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:28,080
referring to it's that it's the

1951
01:28:33,550 --> 01:28:31,139
catch-all uh it's the drought it's the

1952
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:33,560
vaccines it's it's it's the common cold

1953
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:37,500
it's it's Chemtrails it's it's flight

1954
01:28:42,530 --> 01:28:40,080
patterns of commercial airlines in

1955
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:42,540
between small Regional airports I don't

1956
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,940
care what it is but everything is a

1957
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:47,760
conspiracy today that's referred to in

1958
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:51,300
our society it's just too ready and

1959
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:54,060
willing to put that label on it like

1960
01:29:00,110 --> 01:28:57,360
everything is shifted in the reality

1961
01:29:02,510 --> 01:29:00,120
well it is so easy to spread those ideas

1962
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:02,520
now too like you said you could easily

1963
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:05,159
start a conspiracy with your show I mean

1964
01:29:09,050 --> 01:29:06,900
it's a great thing it's a great thing

1965
01:29:12,410 --> 01:29:09,060
that people now have the freedom to

1966
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:12,420
create a podcast or you know a web show

1967
01:29:16,129 --> 01:29:13,920
or something like that

1968
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,139
but it also means that people can very

1969
01:29:20,890 --> 01:29:18,960
easily spread

1970
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:20,900
um misinformation

1971
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:24,600
a lot of times people also weaponize

1972
01:29:29,810 --> 01:29:28,500
conspiracies so you might find that this

1973
01:29:32,689 --> 01:29:29,820
idea floating around was actually

1974
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:32,699
planted there by a Russian troll or

1975
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:33,540
something

1976
01:29:39,290 --> 01:29:36,840
because they want to sow Discord

1977
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:39,300
so um there's different motivations as

1978
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:42,239
to why people share some of this stuff

1979
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:45,120
and um you know I think it's

1980
01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:48,480
important for people to analyze the

1981
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:53,100
media that they're looking at and try to

1982
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,500
figure out where it's coming from and

1983
01:29:59,689 --> 01:29:57,960
what the motivations for spreading it

1984
01:30:03,050 --> 01:29:59,699
might be

1985
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:03,060
well uh you brought up uh I love that if

1986
01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:05,400
you're a dog right people don't know

1987
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:08,040
you're a dog yeah well

1988
01:30:12,110 --> 01:30:09,420
is

1989
01:30:15,169 --> 01:30:12,120
exactly the problem with social media

1990
01:30:17,810 --> 01:30:15,179
yeah and and I put

1991
01:30:21,229 --> 01:30:17,820
um I put out the warnings uh probably

1992
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:21,239
seven eight maybe even nine years ago

1993
01:30:27,470 --> 01:30:25,260
uh and I had said you don't know who

1994
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:27,480
you're fighting with right now on social

1995
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,719
media you don't know yeah you know and

1996
01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:33,600
and that that person that you're that

1997
01:30:40,129 --> 01:30:36,600
thing that that image that you're

1998
01:30:41,209 --> 01:30:40,139
arguing with uh may not need to eat or

1999
01:30:43,490 --> 01:30:41,219
sleep

2000
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,500
right that this is something that's

2001
01:30:48,169 --> 01:30:45,360
automatic that is inside of your head

2002
01:30:50,090 --> 01:30:48,179
you you need to sleep but this thing is

2003
01:30:51,709 --> 01:30:50,100
right you need to eat you need to go to

2004
01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:51,719
work you need to take your kids to

2005
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:55,860
school but not some of these things that

2006
01:31:02,030 --> 01:30:58,920
you're fighting with and they are able

2007
01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:02,040
to sow the seeds and and plant the ideas

2008
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,100
out there and it's not even a human

2009
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:08,400
being doing it and that's crazy I think

2010
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,000
that the man whoever that may be has

2011
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:15,120
figured that out right T yeah yeah you

2012
01:31:19,129 --> 01:31:17,219
know I miss a little bit there's a lot

2013
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,139
of things I love about the internet it's

2014
01:31:23,689 --> 01:31:21,120
giving me some wonderful connections

2015
01:31:26,330 --> 01:31:23,699
I've met people online I've been able to

2016
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:26,340
share my ideas online and and that's

2017
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:28,739
fantastic but I do kind of miss you know

2018
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,239
back in the old days if you thought

2019
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:32,880
someone was an idiot then you had to go

2020
01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:35,639
find them in person and say hey I think

2021
01:31:41,689 --> 01:31:39,060
you're an idiot you know and then you'd

2022
01:31:44,450 --> 01:31:41,699
have a chance to maybe punch the person

2023
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,460
or explain to the person who you are

2024
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:46,320
and but you're having a conversation

2025
01:31:51,709 --> 01:31:48,719
with a real person you know

2026
01:31:53,570 --> 01:31:51,719
and now like you say it's you're arguing

2027
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:53,580
with someone on the internet and you're

2028
01:31:58,970 --> 01:31:56,880
not sure who this person is it also a

2029
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:58,980
lot of times I think people just don't

2030
01:32:03,169 --> 01:32:01,320
understand each other because they're

2031
01:32:05,330 --> 01:32:03,179
not hearing your voice they're not

2032
01:32:08,030 --> 01:32:05,340
seeing your facial expression

2033
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:08,040
and so you get into these arguments that

2034
01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:17,030
tent

2035
01:32:22,970 --> 01:32:20,870
I think a lot of it is machined okay I

2036
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:22,980
don't even think that you're so I think

2037
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:26,639
there's uh that technology is there

2038
01:32:33,169 --> 01:32:29,520
um for sure and I'm talking about not a

2039
01:32:37,250 --> 01:32:33,179
few and there's there's a possibility of

2040
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:37,260
it literally tens of millions of AI

2041
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:40,739
machine learning uh sock puppet uh

2042
01:32:46,490 --> 01:32:44,159
accounts on Twitter right now it's bad

2043
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:46,500
now and it's it's only going to get it's

2044
01:32:50,810 --> 01:32:48,300
only gonna get worse it's improving the

2045
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:50,820
AI is getting better you can do deep

2046
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:54,239
fakes where you know um if you want to

2047
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,639
sabotage a political opponent let's say

2048
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:59,280
you can make a really convincing deep

2049
01:33:03,229 --> 01:33:00,719
fake of them

2050
01:33:06,169 --> 01:33:03,239
saying you know hey I'm about to push

2051
01:33:08,930 --> 01:33:06,179
the nuke button or something you know

2052
01:33:11,870 --> 01:33:08,940
it's coming you know it's coming uh it's

2053
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:11,880
not it's not if it's when yeah

2054
01:33:15,649 --> 01:33:14,460
um and uh but the other part about this

2055
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:15,659
is

2056
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:19,560
um I engage in social media uh pretty

2057
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:23,580
much like I 100 of the time if I do it's

2058
01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:26,340
with somebody that I know somebody that

2059
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:28,880
I've met in person

2060
01:33:34,610 --> 01:33:31,920
I don't know you

2061
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:34,620
and not only do I not know you I don't

2062
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:37,380
know if you're male female old

2063
01:33:42,350 --> 01:33:40,440
young if you're employed have a job if

2064
01:33:44,330 --> 01:33:42,360
you're educated I don't know anything

2065
01:33:46,669 --> 01:33:44,340
about you I don't know anything about

2066
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,679
your reality and and I certainly can't

2067
01:33:51,649 --> 01:33:48,480
hear your voice

2068
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:51,659
so I'm not I'm I just can't I can't do

2069
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:53,880
that like I can't invest the time or the

2070
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:56,719
energy into it but

2071
01:34:04,129 --> 01:34:01,199
everybody else does and they take bait

2072
01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:04,139
don't they yeah I've been guilty it's

2073
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:06,300
happened to me a couple times where I

2074
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:07,980
got sucked into something and I'm like

2075
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:10,500
wait a minute why am I arguing

2076
01:34:14,209 --> 01:34:11,820
with someone I don't know on the

2077
01:34:18,169 --> 01:34:14,219
internet what a waste of my time

2078
01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:18,179
you know so yeah yeah yeah and and it's

2079
01:34:25,310 --> 01:34:21,540
but it's our culture though yeah

2080
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:25,320
that's that's the thing why do you

2081
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:27,000
um what's your opinion why do you think

2082
01:34:34,010 --> 01:34:30,239
this happened so quickly because in 1995

2083
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:34,020
we had AOL we had no idea the

2084
01:34:38,270 --> 01:34:36,000
implications of social media we didn't

2085
01:34:40,910 --> 01:34:38,280
have a clue we didn't understand what

2086
01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:40,920
the internet was about to do to us we

2087
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:44,900
still had stores that were opened right

2088
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:47,820
we had no idea what was about to happen

2089
01:34:55,689 --> 01:34:52,800
and then here in 25 short years yeah

2090
01:34:58,910 --> 01:34:55,699
um our our culture has changed our DNA

2091
01:35:00,590 --> 01:34:58,920
has fundamentally been altered why do

2092
01:35:01,850 --> 01:35:00,600
you think we allowed it to happen so

2093
01:35:05,390 --> 01:35:01,860
quickly

2094
01:35:07,310 --> 01:35:05,400
so addictive I mean I I was a late

2095
01:35:09,610 --> 01:35:07,320
bloomer to the internet I did not get my

2096
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:09,620
first email until

2097
01:35:17,450 --> 01:35:13,739
2001. wow finally set up an email

2098
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:17,460
and the reason why it I imagined all of

2099
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,139
this at that point I was like I don't

2100
01:35:24,050 --> 01:35:21,360
want to be stuck in front of a computer

2101
01:35:26,570 --> 01:35:24,060
like I want to be out there living my

2102
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:26,580
life you know so finally I got an email

2103
01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:30,060
and and this is crazy for me to think I

2104
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:33,560
got that email in 2001 and I want I went

2105
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:37,440
once maybe every two weeks I walked to

2106
01:35:41,149 --> 01:35:38,880
the library

2107
01:35:42,590 --> 01:35:41,159
where you could have 30 minutes of

2108
01:35:46,189 --> 01:35:42,600
computer time

2109
01:35:47,810 --> 01:35:46,199
I checked my email once every two weeks

2110
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,820
and then you know if I wanted to look

2111
01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:50,400
something up I would look stuff up on

2112
01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:52,380
the internet and I'd spend a half hour

2113
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:54,360
every two weeks on the internet

2114
01:36:02,169 --> 01:35:58,800
now I've got this dumb phone with me and

2115
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:02,179
I'm checking my social media my email

2116
01:36:07,729 --> 01:36:05,760
all the time and and people

2117
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:07,739
like to have attention it's a really

2118
01:36:12,890 --> 01:36:10,860
human need so that's why you you see so

2119
01:36:15,530 --> 01:36:12,900
many people are addicted to taking

2120
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:15,540
selfies and checking in everywhere they

2121
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:18,420
go and trying to pull stuff so they get

2122
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:21,600
more and more likes and it becomes very

2123
01:36:27,169 --> 01:36:24,300
consuming where your brain is always

2124
01:36:28,129 --> 01:36:27,179
connected to the internet and

2125
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:28,139
um

2126
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:30,060
like I say there's a lot of things I

2127
01:36:34,689 --> 01:36:31,800
love about the internet but I think it's

2128
01:36:38,689 --> 01:36:34,699
also very dangerous to do that because

2129
01:36:41,629 --> 01:36:38,699
you create a sense of reality that isn't

2130
01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:41,639
really reality

2131
01:36:47,689 --> 01:36:44,280
you know what I find myself doing

2132
01:36:49,370 --> 01:36:47,699
I do it a lot actually I'll be out with

2133
01:36:51,290 --> 01:36:49,380
friends I'll be out with dinner I'll be

2134
01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:51,300
at a conference it doesn't matter I'm

2135
01:36:56,810 --> 01:36:53,580
around I you know I'm constantly around

2136
01:36:58,910 --> 01:36:56,820
people right and I have people around me

2137
01:37:01,070 --> 01:36:58,920
I'll say these words

2138
01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:01,080
put your phones down

2139
01:37:05,689 --> 01:37:03,659
stop looking at your phones stop stop

2140
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:05,699
stop

2141
01:37:10,669 --> 01:37:08,460
yeah you want to hang out at this table

2142
01:37:12,649 --> 01:37:10,679
you want to talk you want you want to be

2143
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:12,659
amongst put your phone down

2144
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,639
well I think that's a great thing it's a

2145
01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:17,040
great thing and you know I

2146
01:37:22,250 --> 01:37:18,420
uh

2147
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:22,260
to I need to do a better job of it yeah

2148
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:24,179
me too I do spend times I've been on the

2149
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:25,800
phone I'm like why are you sitting here

2150
01:37:30,770 --> 01:37:28,260
playing on your phone when you could

2151
01:37:32,990 --> 01:37:30,780
be having a more meaningful conversation

2152
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,000
with someone in the same room as you

2153
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:34,800
sometimes well you know what I think is

2154
01:37:41,149 --> 01:37:38,880
rude okay there should be we we should

2155
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:41,159
have some basic ethics here but let me

2156
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,699
tell you what is rude you're sitting uh

2157
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:47,040
who's standing sitting you could be

2158
01:37:50,450 --> 01:37:48,480
having lunch or you could be just

2159
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:50,460
standing having a conversation with

2160
01:37:57,229 --> 01:37:53,520
somebody right just talking and their

2161
01:37:58,850 --> 01:37:57,239
phone dings and they look at it and

2162
01:38:02,629 --> 01:37:58,860
interrupt

2163
01:38:05,629 --> 01:38:02,639
so apparently the phone is more

2164
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:05,639
important than you yeah and that is

2165
01:38:11,629 --> 01:38:09,600
freaking rude yeah show people man put

2166
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:11,639
your phone on vibrate put it in your

2167
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:14,639
pocket have the conversation if it's

2168
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,280
dinged and it vibrated in your pocket

2169
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:19,440
check it when you're walking away but

2170
01:38:22,610 --> 01:38:20,880
when you're standing in front of

2171
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,620
somebody or you're sitting at a table

2172
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,920
and you're having a conversation and

2173
01:38:29,149 --> 01:38:27,600
eating or drinking or whatever and your

2174
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:29,159
phone dings and you pick it up and look

2175
01:38:33,709 --> 01:38:31,860
at it you just told that person sitting

2176
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:33,719
in front of you it could be your mom

2177
01:38:41,090 --> 01:38:36,960
that they are not that important yeah

2178
01:38:44,930 --> 01:38:41,100
ding is more important and that man I'm

2179
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:44,940
telling you I'm telling you oh and and

2180
01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:47,040
I'm gonna I'm gonna fight this till my

2181
01:38:52,129 --> 01:38:50,060
last breath we know

2182
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:52,139
standard with this

2183
01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:55,199
yeah no I I I agree entirely I remember

2184
01:38:59,689 --> 01:38:57,300
this was this was quite a while ago this

2185
01:39:01,250 --> 01:38:59,699
was when I was single I went on a first

2186
01:39:04,010 --> 01:39:01,260
date and

2187
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:04,020
this person was uh on their phone the

2188
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:05,940
whole time like oh sorry sorry I just

2189
01:39:11,570 --> 01:39:09,060
want to you know I was like

2190
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,580
this is the worst date I've gone on

2191
01:39:16,490 --> 01:39:13,679
you know

2192
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:16,500
it's uh people can't separate themselves

2193
01:39:23,689 --> 01:39:21,420
from that no and and I um uh I'm gonna

2194
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:23,699
talk about time travel but uh and we're

2195
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,980
almost out we're almost out of time so I

2196
01:39:30,530 --> 01:39:27,600
don't want to time travel out of time

2197
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:30,540
I'm going to circle back to that but um

2198
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:39,229
oh

2199
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:41,930
I need a sip of river Moon coffee all

2200
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,090
I don't think there is anything wrong

2201
01:39:53,090 --> 01:39:49,920
with that first date and you looking at

2202
01:39:54,590 --> 01:39:53,100
it right in the eye and going put your

2203
01:39:57,890 --> 01:39:54,600
phone away

2204
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:57,900
right there just call it out yeah call

2205
01:40:03,709 --> 01:40:01,260
it out put your phone away

2206
01:40:06,530 --> 01:40:03,719
that's it that's it I think that is just

2207
01:40:09,470 --> 01:40:06,540
rude Beyond word that's like you know

2208
01:40:11,689 --> 01:40:09,480
you know what the example is

2209
01:40:14,290 --> 01:40:11,699
you're sitting having that first date

2210
01:40:17,149 --> 01:40:14,300
and then somebody at the next table

2211
01:40:19,610 --> 01:40:17,159
starts talking to her she gets up

2212
01:40:21,290 --> 01:40:19,620
doesn't say anything to you just gets up

2213
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,300
and goes over and starts having a guy

2214
01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:23,280
and leaves you alone at the table it's

2215
01:40:30,350 --> 01:40:27,420
the exact same thing it's friggin rude

2216
01:40:33,110 --> 01:40:30,360
so that when you're around somebody put

2217
01:40:35,149 --> 01:40:33,120
your phone down you got all that alone

2218
01:40:37,129 --> 01:40:35,159
time when you go to the bathroom take

2219
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:37,139
your phone take your phone to the

2220
01:40:41,689 --> 01:40:40,080
bathroom if it's that important yeah but

2221
01:40:43,970 --> 01:40:41,699
that's that's the world that we live in

2222
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:43,980
today and I think we need some ethics

2223
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:46,800
police to come in and start telling

2224
01:40:52,189 --> 01:40:49,860
everybody uh what side of the table your

2225
01:40:54,590 --> 01:40:52,199
fork and your spoon go on and how you're

2226
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:54,600
supposed to do this thing you know and

2227
01:40:58,250 --> 01:40:56,580
that's that's where I'm at I'm I'm it's

2228
01:41:01,490 --> 01:40:58,260
frustrating to me

2229
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,500
it is it's a

2230
01:41:06,169 --> 01:41:03,360
yeah like I say it's like an addiction

2231
01:41:09,229 --> 01:41:06,179
you know for a lot of people

2232
01:41:10,910 --> 01:41:09,239
is time travel real

2233
01:41:14,090 --> 01:41:10,920
I don't know

2234
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,100
um I think it's possible

2235
01:41:17,810 --> 01:41:16,320
uh I heard an interesting theory that

2236
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,820
UFOs

2237
01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:20,880
might just be us from the future sure

2238
01:41:25,729 --> 01:41:23,940
taking uh you know History tour maybe

2239
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:25,739
kind of like my walking tour of downtown

2240
01:41:32,209 --> 01:41:28,860
Milwaukee except it's a

2241
01:41:34,850 --> 01:41:32,219
you know a flight back in the time

2242
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:34,860
maybe those spots on Twitter are time

2243
01:41:40,129 --> 01:41:37,920
travel right yeah the um

2244
01:41:41,090 --> 01:41:40,139
they figured out how to go back in time

2245
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:41,100
and

2246
01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:42,600
cash in

2247
01:41:49,330 --> 01:41:44,340
yeah

2248
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:49,340
what about uh uh the Mandela effect

2249
01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:52,679
you know is is that time travelers you

2250
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:54,420
know going back and messing with our

2251
01:42:00,109 --> 01:41:57,060
timeline and they can't mess with our

2252
01:42:02,570 --> 01:42:00,119
memory yeah they mess with the facts

2253
01:42:05,870 --> 01:42:02,580
right which in turn mess with our memory

2254
01:42:07,370 --> 01:42:05,880
is that an example of Time Travelers

2255
01:42:10,910 --> 01:42:07,380
it could be

2256
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:10,920
um I I think Mandela effect also could

2257
01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:12,840
be like we're talking interdimensional

2258
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:16,619
thing Multiverse type of something is

2259
01:42:23,149 --> 01:42:20,760
slipped through the cracks where there's

2260
01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:23,159
um you know kind of like breadcrumbs

2261
01:42:31,790 --> 01:42:26,820
left over from some sort of collision

2262
01:42:33,530 --> 01:42:31,800
between these Dimensions or multiverses

2263
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:33,540
um I don't know I I'm very interested in

2264
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:34,320
it

2265
01:42:40,729 --> 01:42:38,460
um

2266
01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:40,739
gear theories about it

2267
01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:44,040
time travel you know I'm not finding

2268
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,580
I've been uh researching it a little bit

2269
01:42:53,149 --> 01:42:49,920
I haven't gotten too deep into it

2270
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:53,159
I'm not finding anything that's really

2271
01:42:57,950 --> 01:42:55,440
compelled me yet

2272
01:43:01,129 --> 01:42:57,960
really no

2273
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,139
so have you checked out John Teeter

2274
01:43:06,590 --> 01:43:03,119
yeah I've read a little bit about that

2275
01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:06,600
case okay and

2276
01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:10,020
I mean I think it's interesting but

2277
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:14,760
from what I remember it seemed like uh

2278
01:43:30,169 --> 01:43:27,169
a single person or two out there anybody

2279
01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:30,179
can do deduce anything and and and get

2280
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:34,920
it to fit into your your your lane okay

2281
01:43:41,689 --> 01:43:37,800
all right it doesn't matter you know so

2282
01:43:43,390 --> 01:43:41,699
uh that's fine here's the deal uh with

2283
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:43,400
John Teeter

2284
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:46,920
nobody's been busted

2285
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:48,360
nobody

2286
01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:55,020
that was presented online with John

2287
01:43:58,189 --> 01:43:56,820
Teeter now I'm saying

2288
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:58,199
it's not

2289
01:44:04,370 --> 01:44:01,139
he's not a proven factual time traveler

2290
01:44:06,890 --> 01:44:04,380
okay but what I am saying is you've got

2291
01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:06,900
photographs of his time machine and his

2292
01:44:11,450 --> 01:44:09,540
car and you have all of the the type

2293
01:44:12,770 --> 01:44:11,460
setting and the manuals and the

2294
01:44:14,810 --> 01:44:12,780
instructions and all the information

2295
01:44:16,669 --> 01:44:14,820
about the computer side of things and

2296
01:44:19,070 --> 01:44:16,679
everything else that was presented

2297
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,080
online for quite a while and it's all

2298
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,360
there none of that stuff has been

2299
01:44:25,790 --> 01:44:23,760
brought forward you know an

2300
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:25,800
ex-girlfriend hasn't shown up saying

2301
01:44:30,649 --> 01:44:27,960
that was my boyfriend back then he was a

2302
01:44:33,470 --> 01:44:30,659
doofus and he did this and here's the

2303
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,480
evidence and here's the the model that

2304
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,520
he built here's the stickers that he had

2305
01:44:41,090 --> 01:44:37,679
made to put on the time machine you know

2306
01:44:44,450 --> 01:44:41,100
no no no no no no none of that has

2307
01:44:48,649 --> 01:44:44,460
happened when he said I'm gone

2308
01:44:50,750 --> 01:44:48,659
he was gone that's the part of it that

2309
01:44:54,169 --> 01:44:50,760
uh if I'm gonna say black and white and

2310
01:44:56,050 --> 01:44:54,179
pragmatic you know about this tea

2311
01:44:59,209 --> 01:44:56,060
you can't keep things secret forever

2312
01:45:01,250 --> 01:44:59,219
somebody's gonna leak it that's true

2313
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:01,260
that's true he's gonna blow it for you

2314
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:04,679
and here we are in 2023.

2315
01:45:12,410 --> 01:45:09,360
um uh that was 1990 right right no uh

2316
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:12,420
2000 that was two thousand earlier yeah

2317
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:20,390
um yeah I know I haven't read he wrote a

2318
01:45:27,229 --> 01:45:24,960
book I believe right no no not he did

2319
01:45:30,109 --> 01:45:27,239
not no someone else right

2320
01:45:32,570 --> 01:45:30,119
I thought he did

2321
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:32,580
um I knew that there was a book about

2322
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:34,980
him then maybe I haven't read it I

2323
01:45:39,890 --> 01:45:37,980
haven't read it sorry and it's pot I

2324
01:45:42,530 --> 01:45:39,900
mean it's it's but but did John Teeter

2325
01:45:46,129 --> 01:45:42,540
write a book no no no no okay John

2326
01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:46,139
Teeter was a a guy that showed up on a

2327
01:45:51,709 --> 01:45:48,840
couple of forums uh one for Coast to

2328
01:45:53,810 --> 01:45:51,719
Coast AM and another one called uh the

2329
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:53,820
time travel Institute okay two two

2330
01:45:59,930 --> 01:45:58,080
different forms in 1999 in in in 2000

2331
01:46:03,350 --> 01:45:59,940
and said hey

2332
01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:03,360
I'm from 2036 ask me anything

2333
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:05,940
all right that's that's all too pretty

2334
01:46:12,350 --> 01:46:10,139
much in a nutshell uh what went down and

2335
01:46:15,470 --> 01:46:12,360
he hung out he posted photographs he

2336
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:15,480
face he did stuff he hung out for for a

2337
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:17,040
few months and then he said you know I

2338
01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:19,500
got to go back uh it was great hanging

2339
01:46:24,410 --> 01:46:21,780
out with you but uh bye and that was the

2340
01:46:26,510 --> 01:46:24,420
end of it oh I I think what I'm thinking

2341
01:46:29,149 --> 01:46:26,520
of then someone must have taken like his

2342
01:46:31,070 --> 01:46:29,159
posts and photos and collected that into

2343
01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:31,080
some sort of yeah that's been done a few

2344
01:46:35,330 --> 01:46:33,780
times okay yeah so I haven't read that I

2345
01:46:37,370 --> 01:46:35,340
would like to

2346
01:46:39,470 --> 01:46:37,380
yeah it's pretty fascinating now what

2347
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:39,480
okay so

2348
01:46:45,229 --> 01:46:43,920
um Einstein painted a a pretty good

2349
01:46:47,570 --> 01:46:45,239
theory

2350
01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:47,580
for traveling to the Future

2351
01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:50,340
that's easy it is it's easy it's easy

2352
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,860
it's just a physical phenomenon you and

2353
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:55,440
I can we're time traveling right now

2354
01:47:01,310 --> 01:46:58,800
actually but we could travel to the to

2355
01:47:05,149 --> 01:47:01,320
the far future uh pretty easily but it's

2356
01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:05,159
going backwards that is difficult

2357
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:07,980
um what do you make of that if if we

2358
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:10,739
don't see Time Travelers today

2359
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:13,199
from the future I'm not talking about

2360
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:16,440
UFOs does that mean that time travel may

2361
01:47:20,570 --> 01:47:18,480
be impossible

2362
01:47:22,669 --> 01:47:20,580
no I don't think it's impossible

2363
01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:22,679
I don't think there's much that's

2364
01:47:27,890 --> 01:47:25,020
impossible

2365
01:47:29,689 --> 01:47:27,900
um you know I I believe that technology

2366
01:47:32,030 --> 01:47:29,699
could be developed

2367
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:32,040
and there's uh what was his name there's

2368
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:36,239
a a professor Dr Ronald Mallett I think

2369
01:47:42,649 --> 01:47:40,260
yeah Ronald Mallett yeah smart guy yeah

2370
01:47:45,229 --> 01:47:42,659
he's uh that's been his like his life

2371
01:47:48,770 --> 01:47:45,239
work is trying to figure that out and um

2372
01:47:50,990 --> 01:47:48,780
he seems pretty convinced that it can be

2373
01:47:54,649 --> 01:47:51,000
done so

2374
01:47:58,010 --> 01:47:54,659
you know yeah and he uh okay well he he

2375
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,020
tried to do it with lasers and you know

2376
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:00,000
he got some funding I think he was at

2377
01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:02,940
what was he at University of Connecticut

2378
01:48:09,770 --> 01:48:05,940
yeah yeah that sounds right one of those

2379
01:48:13,129 --> 01:48:09,780
uh New England states yeah yeah and uh I

2380
01:48:14,930 --> 01:48:13,139
had mine this show once or twice uh sure

2381
01:48:17,330 --> 01:48:14,940
sure

2382
01:48:19,250 --> 01:48:17,340
um and and I like his story he missed

2383
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,260
his dad and he wanted to go back and and

2384
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:21,360
re-establish his relationship with his

2385
01:48:26,030 --> 01:48:24,659
dad and and if and maybe save his life I

2386
01:48:28,129 --> 01:48:26,040
think his dad had a heart attack or

2387
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:28,139
something at a young age and yeah maybe

2388
01:48:32,270 --> 01:48:29,760
he wanted to go back and say Dad you

2389
01:48:34,370 --> 01:48:32,280
gotta eat less potato chips you know

2390
01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:34,380
what I mean it yeah straightened him out

2391
01:48:41,570 --> 01:48:37,560
but um and and I like the story behind

2392
01:48:44,990 --> 01:48:41,580
that the the problem is

2393
01:48:48,050 --> 01:48:45,000
um are you going to physically

2394
01:48:52,129 --> 01:48:48,060
go back in time or are you going to

2395
01:48:55,609 --> 01:48:52,139
mentally go back in time you know and

2396
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:55,619
and how do you establish this uh what do

2397
01:48:59,810 --> 01:48:57,900
you think it's possible to physically

2398
01:49:03,490 --> 01:48:59,820
take you

2399
01:49:07,070 --> 01:49:03,500
and and and go back in time where

2400
01:49:08,689 --> 01:49:07,080
the the community would physically see

2401
01:49:10,189 --> 01:49:08,699
you and you would be a part of that

2402
01:49:13,070 --> 01:49:10,199
timeline

2403
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,080
I mean I don't understand how that could

2404
01:49:17,570 --> 01:49:15,119
happen but that doesn't mean that it's

2405
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:17,580
impossible I just

2406
01:49:20,350 --> 01:49:18,540
um

2407
01:49:23,390 --> 01:49:20,360
you know I'm not

2408
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:23,400
scientifically trained so I'm not sure

2409
01:49:26,810 --> 01:49:25,080
how it could happen

2410
01:49:30,410 --> 01:49:26,820
Richard Dolan

2411
01:49:32,090 --> 01:49:30,420
um said to me once and and he's right

2412
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,100
about this because I thought about the

2413
01:49:37,850 --> 01:49:34,320
exact same thing he said look man if you

2414
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,860
go back in time then that means that uh

2415
01:49:42,109 --> 01:49:40,080
everything goes back in time the entire

2416
01:49:45,709 --> 01:49:42,119
universe everything you can't it just

2417
01:49:48,129 --> 01:49:45,719
can't be you you would be reversing time

2418
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:48,139
for everybody else

2419
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:51,600
and and I kind of understand that part

2420
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:56,760
of the argument so the the the part that

2421
01:50:03,709 --> 01:50:00,420
is so romantic to us is the science

2422
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:03,719
fiction side of it we still continue

2423
01:50:09,950 --> 01:50:06,960
moving forward right life isn't changing

2424
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:09,960
here it's just us that gets to go back

2425
01:50:13,790 --> 01:50:12,300
and visit that the you know the one that

2426
01:50:16,430 --> 01:50:13,800
got away

2427
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:16,440
um and and that's the part that

2428
01:50:21,770 --> 01:50:19,440
we want to believe in right the Romantic

2429
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:21,780
science fiction version of time travel

2430
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:24,719
right because everyone or most people

2431
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,300
have something where they're like I wish

2432
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:29,520
I could go back in time and

2433
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:32,340
change that moment a little bit where I

2434
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:34,320
made a bad decision or something bad

2435
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,800
happened yeah would you would you do it

2436
01:50:42,050 --> 01:50:40,080
I don't think so you know I think that

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having those painful

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01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:44,580
life lessons develop who you are as a

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01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,480
person

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01:50:49,129 --> 01:50:47,520
and you gotta accept it and keep moving

2441
01:50:52,129 --> 01:50:49,139
forward and

2442
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:52,139
you know it's just

2443
01:50:56,649 --> 01:50:54,360
you know if you don't wish you had

2444
01:50:59,450 --> 01:50:56,659
better grades in math class

2445
01:51:01,490 --> 01:50:59,460
I do wish I had better grades in math

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01:51:04,910 --> 01:51:01,500
class that was my worst subject for sure

2447
01:51:06,770 --> 01:51:04,920
I do mine too yeah life is a journey you

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01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:06,780
know and and everything that has

2449
01:51:13,310 --> 01:51:09,840
happened is made you who it's what has

2450
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:13,320
brought you here right now and if you

2451
01:51:18,169 --> 01:51:16,080
went back and altered anything you and I

2452
01:51:21,169 --> 01:51:18,179
aren't having this conversation right

2453
01:51:23,770 --> 01:51:21,179
exactly your kids aren't born right

2454
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:23,780
that's it forget that right

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01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:27,119
because you that one little butterfly

2456
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:30,719
effect is gonna throw you uh completely

2457
01:51:36,410 --> 01:51:33,600
somewhere else and it's you're not going

2458
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,420
to be who you are today to wish that you

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01:51:41,930 --> 01:51:39,119
could go back and change something from

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01:51:44,990 --> 01:51:41,940
the past exactly and you know um I was

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01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,000
bad at math I'm still bad at math and

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01:51:50,689 --> 01:51:47,760
but you know that made me realize I love

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01:51:53,390 --> 01:51:50,699
working with words so I focused on that

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01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:53,400
but so if I went back in time and you

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01:51:58,250 --> 01:51:55,260
know improved myself to be a

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01:52:00,890 --> 01:51:58,260
mathematician and I became

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01:52:03,770 --> 01:52:00,900
um you know an accountant instead

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01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:03,780
my my life I might have more money or

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01:52:06,530 --> 01:52:05,400
something but I don't know that I would

2470
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:06,540
be happier

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01:52:08,810 --> 01:52:07,679
you know

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01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,820
now

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01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:11,520
um uh before we go I was staying on time

2474
01:52:17,870 --> 01:52:14,639
travel by the way so

2475
01:52:23,209 --> 01:52:17,880
physics today especially in the quantum

2476
01:52:25,729 --> 01:52:23,219
uh version of this will suggest uh the

2477
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:25,739
multi-world theory and multiple

2478
01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:29,520
dimensions and that there are

2479
01:52:36,590 --> 01:52:33,320
infinite versions of T cruelos infinite

2480
01:52:40,609 --> 01:52:36,600
everything that is possible is happening

2481
01:52:43,310 --> 01:52:40,619
right now with you just to the left and

2482
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:43,320
to the right right would you go and

2483
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,840
visit one of those timelines would you

2484
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:47,520
go out of this one

2485
01:52:51,590 --> 01:52:49,440
to another one

2486
01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:51,600
that's a good question

2487
01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:54,540
I mean I think I would be curious

2488
01:52:58,669 --> 01:52:55,860
for sure

2489
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,679
but I would be kind of afraid

2490
01:53:03,169 --> 01:53:00,719
I maybe don't wanna

2491
01:53:05,629 --> 01:53:03,179
see myself in other timelines I might be

2492
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,639
afraid of what I would see maybe I'm a

2493
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:07,440
bad person in some of these other

2494
01:53:12,290 --> 01:53:08,880
timelines

2495
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,300
or an unhappy one you know so Jeffrey

2496
01:53:19,729 --> 01:53:15,360
Dahmer right right you never yeah you

2497
01:53:22,010 --> 01:53:19,739
know you don't yeah and uh when I always

2498
01:53:24,169 --> 01:53:22,020
look at it this way no they're in the

2499
01:53:27,229 --> 01:53:24,179
world of probabilities that one's not

2500
01:53:30,169 --> 01:53:27,239
probable right I I could never be that

2501
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:30,179
person but this is what physics is

2502
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:32,940
saying is part of our reality that the

2503
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:36,239
math is saying this is the way that it

2504
01:53:43,250 --> 01:53:39,360
is well if that's the case and the

2505
01:53:44,930 --> 01:53:43,260
algorithms are showing this then why

2506
01:53:47,570 --> 01:53:44,940
can't a physicist believe in

2507
01:53:49,310 --> 01:53:47,580
Consciousness existing outside of the

2508
01:53:52,850 --> 01:53:49,320
body why can't a physicist believe in

2509
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:52,860
ghosts you know why can't it's weird

2510
01:53:57,410 --> 01:53:55,500
they want to have it both ways they

2511
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:57,420
don't want to believe in the in the

2512
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,719
Supernatural but they'll tell you that

2513
01:54:04,189 --> 01:54:02,639
there are infinite versions of you in

2514
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:04,199
the Multiverse

2515
01:54:08,570 --> 01:54:06,840
yeah yeah it is um

2516
01:54:10,669 --> 01:54:08,580
I mean I I'm sure that there probably

2517
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:10,679
are some physicists who are open to

2518
01:54:16,370 --> 01:54:14,159
Concepts like that but I haven't been no

2519
01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:16,380
that's true I don't think I have either

2520
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,940
to be honest yeah so yeah it is Faith in

2521
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,800
in different things is

2522
01:54:28,129 --> 01:54:25,199
you know it's it's strange that people

2523
01:54:30,530 --> 01:54:28,139
will believe one thing but not another

2524
01:54:31,850 --> 01:54:30,540
where can everybody go and read your

2525
01:54:34,490 --> 01:54:31,860
latest stuff

2526
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,500
best place to go is my website is uh T

2527
01:54:39,169 --> 01:54:36,800
Cruella's

2528
01:54:42,109 --> 01:54:39,179
t-e-a-k-r-u-l-o-s.com that's got links

2529
01:54:44,990 --> 01:54:42,119
to the books I've written I do a column

2530
01:54:47,930 --> 01:54:45,000
on my website uh a couple times a month

2531
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:47,940
called tease weird week and I just write

2532
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,639
about whatever subject I'm interested in

2533
01:54:55,129 --> 01:54:53,520
writing about that particular week and I

2534
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:55,139
also have a link there where people can

2535
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:57,119
see upcoming appearances that I'm doing

2536
01:55:01,629 --> 01:54:59,520
and stuff like that thank you so much T

2537
01:55:03,709 --> 01:55:01,639
what a great conversation

2538
01:55:05,450 --> 01:55:03,719
yeah it's great to talk to you and I

2539
01:55:07,729 --> 01:55:05,460
look forward to having you on the show

2540
01:55:08,810 --> 01:55:07,739
again very soon thank you so much great

2541
01:55:12,169 --> 01:55:08,820
thank you

2542
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,179
great conversation tonight T Cruz and uh

2543
01:55:17,629 --> 01:55:14,400
his links are below we have everything

2544
01:55:21,050 --> 01:55:17,639
over on social media and of course up on

2545
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,060
our website and now tomorrow night I

2546
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:23,760
have gene boyda on the show and tomorrow

2547
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:26,760
night we're doing taboo topics taboo

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01:55:31,609 --> 01:55:30,000
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01:55:34,669 --> 01:55:31,619
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01:55:40,970 --> 01:55:37,199
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01:56:13,370 --> 01:56:11,639
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01:56:15,709 --> 01:56:13,380
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01:56:22,460 --> 01:56:15,719
everybody to be safe

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01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:43,430
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01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:49,410
thank you